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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Dozens quit Green Party - Daily Mail

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Awning10 · 07/02/2021 07:47

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9232663/Green-activists-fury-transgender-campaigner-head-womens-section.html

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shabbytabby · 07/02/2021 07:59

What has 'wokeness' got to do with climate change?
I used to vote Green.

merrymouse · 07/02/2021 07:59

Ms Bristow rejects the claims. She tweeted: 'My rights as a trans person don't conflict with anyone else's, as that's not how human rights work.

That is very much how human rights work in many cases that involve litigation.

Confused
merrymouse · 07/02/2021 08:02

Under the rules of its women's section, Green Party Women, anyone who identifies as a woman or 'gender variant' could vote for its leadership team in last month's election.

In other words a woman is a non man

Gt345 · 07/02/2021 08:06

@merrymouse

Under the rules of its women's section, Green Party Women, anyone who identifies as a woman or 'gender variant' could vote for its leadership team in last month's election.

In other words a woman is a non man

I'm sure Germaine Greer had a term for this
UppityPuppity · 07/02/2021 08:11

In other words a woman is a non man

And also for the Greens, a the definition of woman openly includes men - please don’t delete - they said it themselves = anyone who identifies as a woman or 'gender variant'

And they think we will trust them on climate change where facts, science and accuracy are essential?

Wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 07/02/2021 08:18

'Trust the science on climate change'

'Sex is a spectrum'

newyearnewname123 · 07/02/2021 08:19

^Last night, a Green Party spokesman said: 'We are unequivocal in our support for trans rights.
'We recognise that transwomen are women, transmen are men and non-binary identities exist and are valid.
'We acknowledge there has been conflict in our party and we are committed to resolving it, as well as to finding ways forward that uphold everyone's human rights.'^

I can't believe that the ridiculous TWAW mantra is still being used.

It makes anyone who says it sound stupid because everyone knows that there's a difference between TW and women.

And the bit about "non-binary identities are valid". Valid in what way? What purpose do they serve?

newyearnewname123 · 07/02/2021 08:22

Oops, italics fail, the first 3 paragraphs are from the article.

BelleSausage · 07/02/2021 08:26

My husband used to work with someone who is now on the equalities committee of the Green Party and they were very much against TERFs and supported TWAW.

I once spoke to them at a work function and they were vile about feminists and called us all bigots. They didn’t really know me from Adam and all this came out. Gives me no confidence in the party. Won’t be voting for them again.

Gt345 · 07/02/2021 08:29

Important to remember, stuff like this never happens, they just want to pee!

OhHolyJesus · 07/02/2021 08:35

The Greens are so small and of no real political importance so this is easily shelved but I think if those inside the party who are still hanging on brought it back somehow it would show that the Left can still say what a woman was without losing votes. It's madness to me that it has gone this far.

I still don't think most of this gender ideology stuff registers with the general public so stories like this, esp in the Daily Mail do help.

WendyTestaburger · 07/02/2021 08:39

According to that article, Bristow believes that if the class of sex is abolished sexism disappears. So why on earth have they put themselves forward as a woman's officer? Surely the role is redundant? And why do they have an LGBTQ group, has homophobia not disappeared along with sexism?

I wonder how Bristow believes that sexism has disappeared from my life, now they have declared that the class of sex no longer exists?

From the article :

The party's grassroots have been further outraged by an email sent to LGBTQ+ members urging them not to include motions for discussion on items such as 'women's sex-based rights' which were labelled as 'non-inclusive'.

You'd think a left leaning newspaper like the Guardian might like to pick up something as nakedly outrageous as that memo. Only kidding of course! The Guardian don't give a shit about women. And yet many people won't read the above article because they won't click a Mail Link.

highame · 07/02/2021 08:48

I just want to see the Green Party collapse under its own very weighty and very skewed 'moral compass'

Any party that so stupidly ignores women only has itself to blame.

Eowynthewarrior · 07/02/2021 08:50

I’ve never felt the green movement were feminist . In particular their transport policies directly adversely impact women. Emphasis on public transport does not help women many of whom feel unsafe using public transport or where lack of a private car would mean an impossible struggle getting small children ferried to school, childcare, work snd eldercare. I saw a plan for a so called garden village where the were trumpeting the residents having less parking so they would use the non existent public transport and the little that was was situated away from the homes : how does that for women again if pregnant or with young children struggling back with shopping from the car or if you are coming home in the dark at 4am by yourself and you have to walk across a dark road . Nothing in this design supposedly driven by green principles centred women’s needs or women’s safety at all with the communal garden areas you walked through providing an idea place for perverts to lurk .
Similarly all the emphasis on cycling fails to consider women’s needs. I see all these idyllic illustrations of lush green cycleways with happy families cycling on a sunny day. Totally impracticable if you are a single woman cycling home late at night or a pregnant woman with a couple of toddlers.

The Greens constantly hide the elephant in the room: overpopulation and the link to inadequate contraception and access abortion in many parts of the world .

Plus since the Greens suggest taxation as the solution for every perceived environmental no no whether it be private cars, the wrong sort of heating or food that would have a direct adverse pay impact on women given the sex pay gap.

NeedToKnow101 · 07/02/2021 08:55

I also don't understand why that person would stand for women's officer, if they believe that sex is irrelevant/ just an identity.
I wonder what pro-women policies they'll support, if pro-women discussion is banned anyway.
Seems like yet another power-grab.

Popsy321 · 07/02/2021 08:56

I just despair. The world has gone mad. The one and only saving grace in all this nonsense is that the ordinary man on the street, even the most neaderthal, sexist, misogynist ones, know that people cannot change sex and a man can never and will never be a woman, no matter what fucking dress they decide to wear.

prisencolinensinainciusol2 · 07/02/2021 09:01

I agree with popsy 100%

newyearnewname123 · 07/02/2021 09:06

Bristow's Twitter comment on the article.

mobile.twitter.com/KathrynBristow/status/1358336962327961601

Gt345 · 07/02/2021 09:11

@Eowynthewarrior

I’ve never felt the green movement were feminist . In particular their transport policies directly adversely impact women. Emphasis on public transport does not help women many of whom feel unsafe using public transport or where lack of a private car would mean an impossible struggle getting small children ferried to school, childcare, work snd eldercare. I saw a plan for a so called garden village where the were trumpeting the residents having less parking so they would use the non existent public transport and the little that was was situated away from the homes : how does that for women again if pregnant or with young children struggling back with shopping from the car or if you are coming home in the dark at 4am by yourself and you have to walk across a dark road . Nothing in this design supposedly driven by green principles centred women’s needs or women’s safety at all with the communal garden areas you walked through providing an idea place for perverts to lurk . Similarly all the emphasis on cycling fails to consider women’s needs. I see all these idyllic illustrations of lush green cycleways with happy families cycling on a sunny day. Totally impracticable if you are a single woman cycling home late at night or a pregnant woman with a couple of toddlers.

The Greens constantly hide the elephant in the room: overpopulation and the link to inadequate contraception and access abortion in many parts of the world .

Plus since the Greens suggest taxation as the solution for every perceived environmental no no whether it be private cars, the wrong sort of heating or food that would have a direct adverse pay impact on women given the sex pay gap.

This is very interesting, thank you
prisencolinensinainciusol2 · 07/02/2021 09:13

I wonder how many thousands are blocked from viewing/commenting on Bristow's twitter page?

Gt345 · 07/02/2021 09:14

Default person =man
Uppity women spoil fun by wanting to be both mothers and people.

Awning10 · 07/02/2021 09:17

I close my eyes and imagine being Head of a Men specific group.... prostate stuff, testicular cancer, erectile issues, expectations around masculinity, etc. Of course I would have empathy but no real understanding at all.

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ARoombaOfOnesOwn · 07/02/2021 09:21

Wtf is gender variant? It sounds like a coronavirus strain.

BelleSausage · 07/02/2021 09:23

All I can see is quite a white centric western imperialistic movement where the definition of equality is whatever privileged white people in the west say it is.

And don’t get me started on the whole ‘black trans people’ thing. They are using the unfortunate lives of black prostitutes as human shields for their racist, homophobic, misogynistic stance.

Imagine the impact of poor women’s lives worldwide if their stuff was implemented in every country.