Dozens quit Green Party - Daily Mail

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9232663/Green-activists-fury-transgender-campaigner-head-womens-section.html

All sides would benefit from women being removed from the labour pool.

Yes, I think ultimately that is the main reason for the apathy around this issue in all parties. No one really wants women to be chained to the kitchen sink, but with the threat of automation etc the erasure of sex from policy becomes a tempting solution.

@despairenting

I think this is the comment about abolishing sex as a concept: www.twitter.com/KathrynBristow/status/1343576561627361281

Misguided and naive at best, horribly misogynistic at worst. Does Bristow really have no idea how much being female affects people's lives and how even if we 'abolished sex as a concept' it would continue to do so?

Why would they?

My rights as a trans person don't conflict with anyone else's, as that's not how human rights work

Quite right, but when one group tries to trample over the rights of another group then there can be a conflict. I really hate it when people use this argument - “Me having rights doesn’t lessen yours”. Well, they bloody well do if you attempt to interfere with another groups rights and if there is a rights conflict between two groups.

If KB wanted to demonstrate a lack of conflict, KB could have not taken the position of women’s officer. That would have shown some good faith in their attitude towards women.

Women are entitled to single sex facilities. Redefining women to include people who were born male is a rights conflict. I doubt KB fails to realise this. Saying something false over and over again doesn’t make it true.

The Greens have lost me after many years support. They’ve disappeared up their own arse and completely lost sight of their raison d’etre.

@BreatheAndFocus

My rights as a trans person don't conflict with anyone else's, as that's not how human rights work

Quite right, but when one group tries to trample over the rights of another group then there can be a conflict. I really hate it when people use this argument - “Me having rights doesn’t lessen yours”. Well, they bloody well do if you attempt to interfere with another groups rights and if there is a rights conflict between two groups.

If KB wanted to demonstrate a lack of conflict, KB could have not taken the position of women’s officer. That would have shown some good faith in their attitude towards women.

Women are entitled to single sex facilities. Redefining women to include people who were born male is a rights conflict. I doubt KB fails to realise this. Saying something false over and over again doesn’t make it true.

The Greens have lost me after many years support. They’ve disappeared up their own arse and completely lost sight of their raison d’etre.

Exactly. They are supposed to acknowledge and promote peoples difference in ideas. Not side with it.

I really hate it when people use this argument - “Me having rights doesn’t lessen yours”.

I think establishment of rights pretty much always involves conflict and that is why rights need to be established in law.

The problem is that some people assume that human rights are a class apart, and are somehow uniquely simple and clear. (Even though human rights legislation lists mundane boring rights like the right to protection of property which prevents people building tunnels in Euston...)

‘Rights aren’t pie’ is the kind of thing you say when you control the pie.

@merrymouse

‘Rights aren’t pie’ is the kind of thing you say when you control the pie.

And who controls the media views.

Then there are media controlling other media without transparency of course.
Like some dont see it.

Bristow's pinned tweet is a request for donations to help Bristow pay for surgery Bristow claims Bristow needs, with a link to Bristow's Crowdfunder, titled: "Kat needs some FFS".

"FFS", FFS!

‘Rights aren’t pie’ is the kind of thing you say when you control the pie.

Indeed.

The greens are never going to be elected. It is Labour we should be more worried about.
See no. 6
labourtransequality.org.uk/the-definition-of-transphobia/

^ to be clear - I don't think this is the Labour Party but a group committed to working 'within' the Labour Party to influence policy.
Given how captured the LP is at present, I don't think it would be that difficult for the aims of this group to be met.

I was a member of the Green Party. I still agree with most of their policies. They lost me after that horrible episode involving the Challenors, and when they started calling women “non-men”. Did they refer to men as “non-women”. No, they did not.

@NeedToKnow101

I also don't understand why that person would stand for women's officer, if they believe that sex is irrelevant/ just an identity. I wonder what pro-women policies they'll support, if pro-women discussion is banned anyway. Seems like yet another power-grab.

Precisely, if you are a member of an organisation that believes that a women’s officer is necessary to promote the interests of women and support women’s issues, and is moreover prepared to pay for a women’s officer to do so then why, as a man, would you think it appropriate to stand for that office?

Unless of course you secretly, in your heart of hearts didn’t really believe that women need someone to recognise their issues and provide support. Goodness, no one could be that devious, could they????

If it comes down to requesting male or female - good luck.

That isn't something they receive well.
So, people are left with problems.
Nevermind though eh, if they have to just put up with it and get through life ( and do) so should others?
Those who claim to want to help are sometimes the worst for understanding.

Let's solve poverty by pretending poor people don't exist.

@dementedma

I gave up on the Greens when they became the SNP's poodle here in Scotland. Shame, as I have been "green" for a very long time but they are very easily bought and I disagree with their TWAW policy.

They were for support of adult porn sites though. Are they still because it's a great policy...

@TinselAngel

Let's solve poverty by pretending poor people don't exist.

What is poverty?

Has anyone else noticed that quite recently there has been LOADS of discussion online to the effect that women's sex based rights don't exist, or women's oppression isn't sex based? I've seen variants of these ideas pop up on Reddit, Twitter, Facebook.... Is this the next thing? To deny entirely that women's rights have anything to do with sex? And why does this all seem so...coordinated?

@WeeBisom

Has anyone else noticed that quite recently there has been LOADS of discussion online to the effect that women's sex based rights don't exist, or women's oppression isn't sex based? I've seen variants of these ideas pop up on Reddit, Twitter, Facebook.... Is this the next thing? To deny entirely that women's rights have anything to do with sex? And why does this all seem so...coordinated?

It happens with other topics too.

They all go charging like bees to honey. Either that or someone is holding a gun to their heads...

@merrymouse

Ms Bristow rejects the claims. She tweeted: 'My rights as a trans person don't conflict with anyone else's, as that's not how human rights work.

That is very much how human rights work in many cases that involve litigation.

Well as usual, 'trans rights' do not have to conflict with womens rights. There are ways to help trans people without removing womens rights. However, the activists do not want that. So yes, currently their demands demolish womens rights.

Cannot blame these women for walking out. It seems, at times(such as with the womens officer fiascos) that some people specifically apply for such positions just to piss women off. Or to focus everything onto poor transwomen, as women have it easy and have no issues and saying there is still work for feminism to do means you are a raging bigot

It seems, at times(such as with the womens officer fiascos) that some people specifically apply for such positions just to piss women off

I hear you. I have often thought that some people with insecurities will gain employment to do that in sectors of society.

I had a conversation with a professional who told me something. Not only did they tell me something they showed me why I should worry about their choice of profession.

Ironically, the issue they described was the one I had but they didnt use their power to help when they could have.

@Tibtom

The Greens are so small and of no real political importance

In Scotland they hold the balance of power. The SNP rely on them to get votes through the Scottish Parliament.

In Scotland it's worth even voting Labour to stop the SNP if you can't bring yourself to vote Conservative.

On the subject of science and LGBTQIA+ Young Greens, have you seen how they treated @ClaireCAIS on the subject of intersex conditions? They basically told her to fuck off.

The concept of "nothing about us, without us" is totally lost on this batch of people self-identifying as the good guys.

Here are some of their responses to Claire, and a linkntonthe thread they didn't delete. twitter.com/josh_farrell_13/status/1356353013410123782?s=19

Basically, they're really interested in the perspective of people with diagnosed medical conditions; any support or cooperation they will give to people with medical conditions under the intersex umbrella is strictly conditional on them having the correct opinions.

This is the modern equivalent of the people who argued that the right sort of women should get the vote.

It's despicable.

*they're not really interested...