Transmisogyny in women’s shelters.

[Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails]

A year-long investigation has concluded a “cohort of powerful feminists” is deliberately freezing out transwomen from accessing services for domestic violence victims.

Didn’t realise we had so much power

gal-dem.com/transphobia-sexual-violence-sound-like-a-man-hang-up-vawg-investigation/

The calls for funding transwomen refuges, similar to the calls for funding male refuges and gay refuges, always seem to come to women. Its as though because we are female we must act as mothers to everyone.

No, we're still busy fighting for and funding our own refuges. If I have spare cash I will donate it to specialist provision refuges in our local area that specifically support South Asian women or those women with teenage sons who can't be served by single sex refuges. Women who are at considerable risk of every week being added to the statistics of being killed by their current or former partners but cannot escape because provision is still not enough.

Organisations such as Stonewall and Scottish Trans Alliance include refusing to affirm gender identity as domestic abuse. Who will be the perpetrators of this? Trans Widows and parents of transitioners.

Scottish Trans Alliance wrote a report in which they said that the partner of a trans person self-harming or attempting suicide was considered to be domestic abuse.

www.scottishtrans.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/trans_domestic_abuse.pdf

[quote OldCrone]Organisations such as Stonewall and Scottish Trans Alliance include refusing to affirm gender identity as domestic abuse. Who will be the perpetrators of this? Trans Widows and parents of transitioners.

Scottish Trans Alliance wrote a report in which they said that the partner of a trans person self-harming or attempting suicide was considered to be domestic abuse.

www.scottishtrans.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/trans_domestic_abuse.pdf[/quote]
Yes it's DARVO- appropriating the language and analysis of abuse.

The myth of the abusive trans widow helps with arguments against the spousal exit clause (which has already been got rid of in Scotland) and the removal of spouses having any say, paves the way for self ID.

You'll need to give me more time. I read that when you posted it Old Crone. Still haven't quite processed it...

[quote OldCrone]Organisations such as Stonewall and Scottish Trans Alliance include refusing to affirm gender identity as domestic abuse. Who will be the perpetrators of this? Trans Widows and parents of transitioners.

Scottish Trans Alliance wrote a report in which they said that the partner of a trans person self-harming or attempting suicide was considered to be domestic abuse.

www.scottishtrans.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/trans_domestic_abuse.pdf[/quote]
Reading that made my blood run cold. It’s just awful 😞

That report includes “telling people about a person’s transgender status” as emotional abuse. If my marriage had collapsed because my husband wanted to transition bloody right I’d be telling people.

Apologies Tinsel, I too, was thinking of male violence being the cause of trans people needing a refuge.

Thank you for your post.

That report includes “telling people about a person’s transgender status” as emotional abuse.

That's disgraceful. It's the wife's life too.

@Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails

That report includes “telling people about a person’s transgender status” as emotional abuse. If my marriage had collapsed because my husband wanted to transition bloody right I’d be telling people.

The 'status' is pretty obvious in late-transitioning husbands anyway.

I can't stomach reading the report right now, it sounds like a narc abuser's manual.

@Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails

That report includes “telling people about a person’s transgender status” as emotional abuse. If my marriage had collapsed because my husband wanted to transition bloody right I’d be telling people.

It's a fairly transparent attempt to stitch trans widows up isn't it? So that everything we do is abuse unless we are totally compliant.

Trans shelters should be funded and created. They need somewhere to go and be safe if in an abusive relationship. Womens shelters have to be for women, so we can be sure to be safeguarding against such people as in this article.

www.womenarehuman.com/transgender-inmate-charged-with-sexual-assault-at-a-womens-prison/?fbclid=IwAR1wOy147kxzNrcb00Kc84CejTAS44JD3talLTB4k1jNEGyW1BnSeUwmap0

That link that Scrunchy just posted - just awful

Anyone here who is fine with male-bodied people in women's prisons should be ashamed of themselves.

It's a fairly transparent attempt to stitch trans widows up isn't it? So that everything we do is abuse unless we are totally compliant.

Yes, and I'm sure people fall for it. As you say, they've reversed abuser psychology.

@yetmorenamechanging

I can't understand why on earth a trans woman would seek shelter in a women's refuge. Same as going in women's changing rooms and loos. These are places where there's a likelihood of encountering a radfem or GC woman. They are so horribly dangerous, these women of literal violence, that it must be dangerous, no? Why would they want to take that risk?

Now, where these women of literal violence definitely won't be, is in male only spaces. So wouldn't trans women be safer there? We know they're not facing violence from men, because they never tell us that men are the problem. Listening to their lived experiences, listening to their voices when they're brave enough to speak out despite this literal violence, it's always women who are the threat.

If they are not safe with women and don't want to be with men, then I fully support the activists' campaigns for specialist services aimed at this minority, vulnerable community to ensure their unique needs and challenges can be fully served.

But no. Still complaining they can't break down the doors to women only spaces.

Brilliant.......wish I'd written that! I'm going to quote it..........

Not RTFT sorry so this point has probably been made.

Stonewall etc have a lot of cash and lobbying power.

Why are they not setting up services for trans people?

The needs of different groups when escaping abuse are very different.

I don't understand why all this money and lobbying seems to focus on transwomen and existing women's services. The best thing is to put support in place that is best placed to address the needs of each group.

Eg men fleeing generally have very different needs and concerns than women.

Why are these orgs focusing on women's stuff rather than setting up new, more suitable support for the groups they are advocating for?

It just doesn't make sense.

@NiceGerbil

"It just doesn't make sense."

It does if the agenda is appropriation and validation for TW, and not safety. Who would validate their woowoo if only other TW were in that facility?

[quote Scrunchy95]Trans shelters should be funded and created. They need somewhere to go and be safe if in an abusive relationship. Womens shelters have to be for women, so we can be sure to be safeguarding against such people as in this article.

www.womenarehuman.com/transgender-inmate-charged-with-sexual-assault-at-a-womens-prison/?fbclid=IwAR1wOy147kxzNrcb00Kc84CejTAS44JD3talLTB4k1jNEGyW1BnSeUwmap0[/quote]
I agree, it would seem that the needs of a trans person wishing to access the services of a refuge are going to be vastly different to a woman whose husband has tried to kill her (I’m guessing it’s not just a safe place to sleep, I assume that therapy, advice and other helpful support services will be available as part of it?).

It seems that the psychological support needed would be quite different and any group therapy would not be helpful as their experiences would be quite different (even if violence were involved).

It would have been helpful if this report could have looked more closely at the reasons the different types of client had for accessing the refuge. It would also be very interesting to look at who is getting turned away from refuges and why.

[quote OldCrone]Organisations such as Stonewall and Scottish Trans Alliance include refusing to affirm gender identity as domestic abuse. Who will be the perpetrators of this? Trans Widows and parents of transitioners.

Scottish Trans Alliance wrote a report in which they said that the partner of a trans person self-harming or attempting suicide was considered to be domestic abuse.

www.scottishtrans.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/trans_domestic_abuse.pdf[/quote]
Omg I haven’t got any further but I was intrigued by their headline stats of ‘80% of respondents experienced emotional abuse, 80% experienced sexual abuse’ etc

I looked at the methodology and they advertised the survey in several relevant publications for three months and got 60 ‘useable’ responses - 60!!! So this report is largely based on the experiences of 48 people.

How many women experience dv in the UK every year again...?

It gets worse. 5 responses included in the analysis were from the US and there were 28 mtf respondents (the rest were either ftm or non specific) who were almost all late transitioners (within 5 yrs). Most respondents had a high level of education.

Scottish Trans Alliance wrote a report in which they said that the partner of a trans person self-harming or attempting suicide was considered to be domestic abuse.

JFC.

@gardenbird48

It gets worse. 5 responses included in the analysis were from the US and there were 28 mtf respondents (the rest were either ftm or non specific) who were almost all late transitioners (within 5 yrs). Most respondents had a high level of education.

So, like, hardly any women responded ... I wonder where it was advertised and shared? I mean, to get such a high response from TW when they are actually a small proportion of the population... surely they must have been targeted which makes the whole premise invalid?!

I wonder whether sexual abuse encompasses "she refuses to have sex with me while I'm 'dressed'."

@CaraDuneRedux

I wonder whether sexual abuse encompasses "she refuses to have sex with me while I'm 'dressed'."

I think that would probably be considered controlling behaviour.

I really hope a journalist reads this thread