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Humza Yousaf and Scottish Hate Crime Bill

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Pinkfreesias · 01/02/2021 18:51

Humza Yousaf, the Scottish Justice Secretary, has just tweeted that the recent amendments tabled on the Freedom Of Expression (Hate Crime) Bill will not now be moved on. Hugely disappointing for women speaking out might still be labelled hate criminals here in Scotland. And I can't help wondering if it's somehow linked to Joanna Cherry's sacking.

mobile.twitter.com/HumzaYousaf/status/1356299644553322497

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Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud · 04/02/2021 22:14

After seeing that a labour MP called someone a bigot this week for this person wanting to not have mixed sex prisons Shock, it seems what is allowed to be said or asked is gradually shrinking

MaudTheInvincible · 04/02/2021 22:16

@lightand

I havent read up much about current feminism in quite some time, but the subject heading on this thread caught my eye. I have sort of read the thread.

Who is at the forefront, going up in social/political/world circles whereever, of all of this? Does anyone know? Is it an organisation? A person, or group?
No one need bother to answer, if my question is actually quite stupid.

This is a good place to start reading https://www.the11thhourblog.com/post/all-roads-lead-to-arcus

Jennifer Bilek has done lots of work on this. It basically boils down to following the money.

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 04/02/2021 22:21

This is insane. Sinister and appalling. Every Scots person should vote conservative, keep these people out and worry about independence 5 years from now. Seriously, I can never go back to Scotland now.

lightand · 04/02/2021 22:23

@Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud and @MaudTheInvincible Thank you.

Merename · 04/02/2021 22:41

@Ritasueandbobtoo9

This is insane. Sinister and appalling. Every Scots person should vote conservative, keep these people out and worry about independence 5 years from now. Seriously, I can never go back to Scotland now.
Woah, now I completely agree with you that this is sinister and appalling. But vote conservative? No thanks.
littlbrowndog · 04/02/2021 22:41

Try living here ritsue 🤦‍♀️

Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud · 04/02/2021 22:55

I don't know if there is "big money" behind anything. I think that a lot of the lobby groups advocating for taking away females sex-based rights have more power than grassroots woman's rights organisations, but I think that it is from a position of initially wanting to be kind, but failing to see the conflict of rights.

What we should be working together to advocate for is eg. good third spaces where they are needed (because eg. A transman like Elliott page shouldn't be expected to go to a male prison)

ArabellaScott · 04/02/2021 23:00

I've been deleted, I think more than once, for discussing Saw You Last Tuesdays.

It's informative how much of a hot button issue it is.

Also that I see SNP MPs are now accusing Mumsnet of being one of the Things we Cannot Name. It's pretty pathetic how swift and total the reversals are. But again, informative.

Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud · 04/02/2021 23:01

Things have gone further with legislation in Ireland- bit this lays out some of the issues the women there are now working against: thecountessdidntfightforthis.com/seven-pillars-of-concern/

Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud · 04/02/2021 23:03

@ArabellaScott

I've been deleted, I think more than once, for discussing Saw You Last Tuesdays.

It's informative how much of a hot button issue it is.

Also that I see SNP MPs are now accusing Mumsnet of being one of the Things we Cannot Name. It's pretty pathetic how swift and total the reversals are. But again, informative.

Haha- but we don't even have a chant!

All good See You Later Tomorrows have a unquestionable chant

ArabellaScott · 04/02/2021 23:06

Oh, I'm sure we can think of something?

MN chant ... something to do with parking threads, maybe. Or an AIBU AIBU IBU YANBU IBU?

Bedtime for me.

theskyispink · 04/02/2021 23:18

@WouldBeGood Ovarit.com - it's a gender critical discussion site for and by gender critical women. You need an invite code to be a member so just let me know if you want one

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/02/2021 02:17

It's pretty pathetic how swift and total the reversals are. But again, informative.

Always.

Igneococcus · 05/02/2021 07:49

Jim Sillars' comment in the Times today:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/06a378d8-6724-11eb-908c-00b0fcb974f6?shareToken=ba6b19b331e790fc197ab2cc527f440f

WouldBeGood · 05/02/2021 08:06

@theskyispink yes, please, thank you.

Justhadathought · 05/02/2021 08:40

Also that I see SNP MPs are now accusing Mumsnet of being one of the Things we Cannot Name. It's pretty pathetic how swift and total the reversals are. But again, informative

Have you got any links?

HubertHerbert · 05/02/2021 08:54

Yes I went looking for the mumsnet reference and couldn't find, I presume twitter

Justhadathought · 05/02/2021 08:54

The problem is that there is now an utter conflation of critique and analysis, with hatred. And, from creating equal rights, a hierarchy of rights is being created instead; with some groups privileged over others.

True to the left these privileged groups are perceived as being the victims, and those being suppressed seen as the oppressors. Who would have thought that the hard won rights of women, and their struggles for dignity and safe spaces, for equality in sporting provision would come to be seen as oppressive to others.

The left stands against colonisation and imperialism, and yet what we now witness is the attempt to completely appropriate and colonise what belongs to women. And furthermore to prevent women from organising and speaking to protect their rights and spaces.

People are being told there is no conflict of rights; that we can all co-exist in some utopian fantasy where biological, and other, differences are no longer real or relevant. The problem is that this is being enforced by decree, and not by consent. That is the very definition of colonisation and imperialism.

Justhadathought · 05/02/2021 08:58

"If Liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear"

"Will the man in the street ever feel that freedom of the mind is as important and as much in need of being defended as his daily bread"

(George Orwell - On Freedom)

lightand · 05/02/2021 09:01

You find that "co-exist", "unity" "togetherness" type words, are only used by a person to mean, "go their way". If you were to try saying, ok, we will all unite going in the opposite direction to what they mean, it just wouldnt happen.

lightand · 05/02/2021 09:03

@Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud
Things have gone further with legislation in Ireland
In what way? Again, no one needs to answer me, as I am playing catch-up and dont want to go off on a side issue.

Justhadathought · 05/02/2021 09:05
  1. Caution in handling generally accepted opinions that claim to explain whole trends of history is especially important for the historian of modern times, because the last century has produced an abundance of ideologies that pretend to be keys to history but are actually nothing but desperate efforts to escape responsibility^”
  1. One of the greatest advantages of the totalitarian elites of the twenties and thirties was to turn any statement of fact into a question of motive
  1. There is hardly a better way to avoid discussion than by releasing an argument from the control of the present and by saying that only the future will reveal its merits
  1. True goal of totalitarian propaganda is not persuasion, but organisation of the polity. ... What convinces masses are not facts, and not even invented facts, but only the consistency of the system of which they are presumably part

( Hannah Arendt - The Origins of Totalitarianism)

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2021 09:46

Sincere apologies, I have searched for the cult discussion in said MPs tweets and I think I have muddled up a random tweeter in among the MPs tweets calling MN a cult. So, it wasn't an MP. My mistake.

Interesting to search for 'mumsnet cult' on Twitter, though. Seems to be quite a common thing to say.

FWIW cults and cultish behaviour are common human tendencies and many groups display some of the patterns of cults. MN really doesn't, as far as I can see. (There's far too little grooming and love-bombing, imo, we could really do with a lot more of that and more cake recipes, too.)

I do wish we could discuss it openly as its fascinating, instructive and useful information to know.