Humza Yousaf and Scottish Hate Crime Bill

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Humza Yousaf, the Scottish Justice Secretary, has just tweeted that the recent amendments tabled on the Freedom Of Expression (Hate Crime) Bill will not now be moved on. Hugely disappointing for women speaking out might still be labelled hate criminals here in Scotland. And I can't help wondering if it's somehow linked to Joanna Cherry's sacking.

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UppityPuppity No, all the opposition amendments have been withdrawn too.

See the MBM link above. It looks like they have agreed to find consensus behind closed doors over a very bland freedom of speech clause - with no specific protections over speech on trans ideology.

And significantly this means no debate is heard in public. Nothing will be on the record of Parliament's intentions on this Bill. Which is important because, looking ahead, when a woman is arrested for saying humans cannot change sex, there is nothing to point to to say Parliament did not intend the law to cover such instances.

And I guess by rejecting the amendments which covered this, even the one that the government had themselves provisionally proposed, they are suggesting that they do intend those situations to be covered by the Bill.

Betsy thanks for the clarification.

This IS insane.

when a woman is arrested for saying humans cannot change sex

They are going to be awfy busy arresting us all.

@ArabellaScott

when a woman is arrested for saying humans cannot change sex

They are going to be awfy busy arresting us all.

They won't have to arrest us all.

A few token arrests here and there to remind all the other women how much they have to lose - jobs, custody of their children (because what's going to happen to their children while they're in prison), family relationships (as men are leaned on to distance themselves from their wives who are in prison for a hate crime).

Repressive regimes 101.

So, I guess Scottish women should now be planning their protests. Biological sex inserted into everything. Comments about biological sex everywhere. Save the police time and stand outside police stations with placards stating Woman = Adult Human Female.

I also would love to see how science is to be taught.

They won't have to arrest us all.

A few token arrests here and there to remind all the other women how much they have to lose - jobs, custody of their children (because what's going to happen to their children while they're in prison), family relationships (as men are leaned on to distance themselves from their wives who are in prison for a hate crime).

There will be women whose children are grown, have no husbands and can afford to take the hit. Awful as it is, I’ve thought for a while that if any truly oppressive laws are brought in, then protest through deliberate non-compliance might be the only way to demonstrate.

Suffragettes did it and if necessary, so will we.

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Yousaf says he rejects Rhoda Grant MSP’s amendment protecting those who ‘advocate for women’s rights’ claiming that it could allow expressions of transphobia, homophobia and islamophobia.

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Essentially, it means if you question the trans ideology you are guilty of a hate crime

Unless you are religious? What is the religion amendment

Can someone clarify.

i always wondered how the woke left were going to explain to the Muslim, Jewish and other faith based communities....that the women only swimming sessions, that many local authorities put on, for muslim women, for example, would now be open to males who identified as women.

They certainly never seemed to consult these communities when suggesting gender neutral toilets etc in council owned properties.

So, females.

Never question men. Never speak a word of criticism. Never mention your own rights, or that you're unhappy with treatment. Never mention unfairness to you or discrimination or crimes against you, or your own exclusion. Or you will be punished.

Eyes down. Mouth shut. Cringe as they pass, and hope they don't see you. Scotland: by men. For men.

For fucks sake is this fucking real? What planet are these people on?!

Now we have. Yousaf saying women might do bad things. FFS he does hate women

Will the woke keep campaigning for prison abolition or will they give that a wee rest while it suits them to lock up inconvenient women?

Of course he hates women.

All of them behind this hate women.

Just look on Twitter at the gleeful joy in seeing females positioned to suffer whatever males want and not even be able to mention it. It will be a fucking crime to mention it.

Scotland had a long, terrible history of witch burning and they're heading right back there, eyes wide open and joyfully embracing the gynephobia all the way.

WTF!!

I agree however that a few well placed placards which will end up with a woman in court, will result in a complete sunlight on this ridiculous law.

I don't know if I would put him in the same category as the green haired woke brigade.
I don't think he thinks this stuff up himself.

It reminds me of when one of my children tries to argue based on something their dad has told them. They don't understand the logic because there is none. But they try anyway and it sounds daft and then they double down.

Humza has plenty of strong women in his life and he goes out of his way to support them. I think the problem is that a lot of people like him think that being right on involves adopting the trans activist stance wholesale but haven't understood women's rights and equalities well enough in the first place, so it doesn't occur to them there are contradictions.

I'm not defending him. It's cowardly. But we have people in common and I honestly don't think he does it from a place of misogyny.

I'm scared more widely about how entrenched SNP elected members are about this because it is showing them up as dim and because it will cause legislative issues further down the line.

Lots of folk are talking about voting for the ISP so it really could affect the election.

It’s a terrible time for women in Scotland.

It’s also scary as I think very few “normal” SNP voters have any idea about what’s going on.

It's fucking terrifying. And I don't mean in the silly, childish sense that activists like to use it.

The British government should not allow this.

I also note the national press hiding this and not reporting on it, which is actively supporting and enabling this appalling gynephobia. It should be front page news.

I’m really looking to seeing the SNP campaign Ads for the forthcoming elections. I’m imagining lots of shots of NS high-fiving teenagers and doing other cringeworthy things to appeal to the youth vote. Possibly subliminal images of women over the age of thirty-five hanging round on street corners/outside school gates whispering and gossiping and giving filthy looks to the youth as they maliciously plot their ‘hate crimes’. Cut to NS swooping a protective cape around the young kids as she ushers them into her vision of a Canadian Scotland.

Humza has plenty of strong women in his life and he goes out of his way to support them. I think the problem is that a lot of people like him think that being right on involves adopting the trans activist stance wholesale but haven't understood women's rights and equalities well enough in the first place, so it doesn't occur to them there are contradictions

You are right. Many people, and many men ( including many gay men) simply do not really grasps what women's rights are about and what they imply. On what foundations they rest. They tend to see everything in the bland, superficial terms of 'equality'.

@AnyOldPrion

They won't have to arrest us all.

A few token arrests here and there to remind all the other women how much they have to lose - jobs, custody of their children (because what's going to happen to their children while they're in prison), family relationships (as men are leaned on to distance themselves from their wives who are in prison for a hate crime).

There will be women whose children are grown, have no husbands and can afford to take the hit. Awful as it is, I’ve thought for a while that if any truly oppressive laws are brought in, then protest through deliberate non-compliance might be the only way to demonstrate.

Suffragettes did it and if necessary, so will we.

We shouldn't have to in a mature 21st Century democracy. I won't be joining in with protest. I will be relocating along with all the tax my family pays.

We shouldn't have to in a mature 21st Century democracy. I won't be joining in with protest. I will be relocating along with all the tax my family pays.

As I said upthread, if Scotland were to get independence (and I think it will in the next 5 years), I would be eligible for dual nationality, which is a serious consideration because of freedom of movement in the EU. But I won't be taking out Scottish nationality if they've turned into a police state.

@MichelleofzeResistance

It's fucking terrifying. And I don't mean in the silly, childish sense that activists like to use it.

The British government should not allow this.

I agree...how is this stuff devolved anyway?

Yeah Scotland one of the biggest centres for witch hunting and burning

Here we are again

@CaraDuneRedux

We shouldn't have to in a mature 21st Century democracy. I won't be joining in with protest. I will be relocating along with all the tax my family pays.

As I said upthread, if Scotland were to get independence (and I think it will in the next 5 years), I would be eligible for dual nationality, which is a serious consideration because of freedom of movement in the EU. But I won't be taking out Scottish nationality if they've turned into a police state.

I don't think it is that likely (you are viewing through the lens of wider UK media desperate for a story). Why should the UK Government grant the special order again when it was a 'once in a generation' thing? With Brexit (which many SNP supporters voted for, for various reasons eg cause chaos in UK or because they actually don't want to be part of the EU Superstate which is logical if you don't want to be part of the UK after all) I actually think the case for secession fails even more miserably than it did in 2014, when oil revenues were at least still reasonably high. The pandemic - how much worse would that have been without the UK's borrowing powers? How many people in Scotland currently pay tax? How many of the higher rate ones would relocate in the event of secession...what are you left with? Sunlit uplands....I don't think so. Devolution was not meant to be a means to split up the UK. The SNP should not be spending public tax money on the Constitution or Foreign Affairs as it's not in their remit...there's a point at which they will go too far I think.