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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Keira

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YouNoob · 01/12/2020 10:25

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Weatherwarning · 01/12/2020 11:01

Kiera

littlbrowndog · 01/12/2020 11:01

The baroness is meeting Keira and her lawyer tomorrow

OhHolyJesus · 01/12/2020 11:01

#IStandWithKeiraBell Ova

Floisme · 01/12/2020 11:02

And yes I'm sure the judgement won't be as straightforward as it sounded. It never is. The sunlight is the point.

Cwenthryth · 01/12/2020 11:02

Oh wowza. Keira you are a legend. It was just a headline on Times Radio hourly news bulletin

gardenbird48 · 01/12/2020 11:02

The Metro reports it like this. I'm not sure what this means for how easily under-16s will be able to consent

I think a court will have to approve the treatment.

GruffalosGirl · 01/12/2020 11:03

Amazing news! Thank you Keira, you are bloody marvellous!

Biscuitsanddoombar · 01/12/2020 11:03

Omg been in a meeting fretting about this

Yesssssss 😃😃😃

OvaHere · 01/12/2020 11:03

Thanks @OhHolyJesus

justanotherneighinparadise · 01/12/2020 11:03

Ah okay, perhaps personal damages should be something she pursues later. I can’t imagine what she’s been through.

MammothMashup · 01/12/2020 11:04

I wonder how many charities mentioned by mermaids will now be distancing themselves?

Especially after the most recent report by Graham in NSPCC and childline.

Thank you Keira and Sue and Mrs A ❤️

Keira
Winesalot · 01/12/2020 11:04

Thank you for being so brave Keira. This must have been at such an immense emotional cost to you amongst all the other impacts.

RedDogsBeg · 01/12/2020 11:04

Can't believe the Tavi are trying to claim it's dangerous to take children off blockers when they've been claiming all along they are harmless and reversible.

Fucking bastards.

Indeed, how many times have the fully reversible, no side effects, just a pause to allow thinking time arguments been trotted out in defence of these drugs?

What has been happening to young people in the name of this ideology is criminal, those who promote it should be in the dock.

Winesalot · 01/12/2020 11:05

So, how does 'they know they are trans because they know' now stand up as a diagnosis tool?

MammothMashup · 01/12/2020 11:05

Graham's latest piece on NSPCC and Childline.

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/childline-the-nspcc-and-the-gender

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 01/12/2020 11:05

New: In a landmark ruling, the High Court says Children under 16 who wish to undergo gender reassignment can only consent to puberty blockers if they are able to 'understand the nature of the treatment.'

twitter.com/rachaelvenables/status/1333722412265967618?s=19

The challenge came from Keira Bell, a 23y/o woman who identified as trans as a teenager, took puberty blockers aged 16, before detransitioning. Lawyers argued children going through puberty are "not capable of properly understanding" the effects of such treatment.

Although Fenella Morris QC, representing the Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust, argued the use of hormone blockers is "a safe and reversible treatment with a well-established history."

Looks like children wanting to medically transition would have to go to court.

Judges' ruling: 'long-term consequences' plus the treatment being 'innovative and experimental' means "clinicians may well regard these as cases where the authorisation of the court should be sought"

More: "it is highly unlikely that a child aged 13 or under would be competent to give consent to the administration of puberty blockers.

"It is doubtful that a child aged 14 or 15 could understand and weigh the long-term risks and consequences of... puberty blockers."

justanotherneighinparadise · 01/12/2020 11:05

@Floisme

And yes I'm sure the judgement won't be as straightforward as it sounded. It never is. The sunlight is the point.
That’s all we want. Sensible people being allowed to discuss this openly without a baying mon screaming bigot. As the mother of an autistic child this is incredibly important to me. I want to be allowed to be concerned without hatred being directed towards me.
Whatwouldscullydo · 01/12/2020 11:06

Keira FlowersStar

OhHolyJesus · 01/12/2020 11:06

The first tweet under that Mammoth is fab!

"Bet you must be shitting yourselves"

Too right! Squeaky bum time!

ThinkIveFoundYourMarbles · 01/12/2020 11:07

I'm confused. Wasn't a key argument of Keira's case that under 16s CAN'T fully understand the consequences? Did I misunderstand?

BettyDuKeiraBellisMyShero · 01/12/2020 11:07

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

I'm still awaiting the judgement. TRAs are claiming victory too.
Tavi wouldn’t have proposed a pause in referrals from them to endocrinology if that was true, nor would they be having to argue that those currently on GnRHa drugs shouldn’t be taken off them.

If GIDS had won, then they would simply be continuing as normal.

Still, you are of course wise to wait for the published judgement!

EndemicPanda · 01/12/2020 11:07

I think it will be up to next court up.

Technically the High Court can grant permission to appeal to the Court of Appeal, but rarely do because it's a bit like saying "Here's our judgment, we're not very sure that's it right."

Typically, the High Court will refuse permission and then the Court of Appeal will decide on the papers whether to grant permission. If permission is granted, then the case proceeds to a substantive appeal. If permission is refused on the papers, then the appellant can ask for a renewal hearing which is a short (

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 01/12/2020 11:07

Judgement excerpt:

Keira
MammothMashup · 01/12/2020 11:07

@OhHolyJesus

The first tweet under that Mammoth is fab!

"Bet you must be shitting yourselves"

Too right! Squeaky bum time!

I know 🤣
NonnyMouse1337 · 01/12/2020 11:07

I'm crying. 😭 This is brilliant news!!!

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