Keira

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Live tweets from Belstaffie here:

mobile.twitter.com/Belstaffie/status/1333716720176033793

Oh my god!! Thank you Keira; you have accomplished something monumentally important today.

I hope she gets a MASSIVE fucking payment and it grinds the whole thing to a halt. Disgusting, scandalous practise akin to castrating autistic children.

apparently no grounds for Tavi's appeal as court has merely applied the law

Well, hopefully. That's what Keira's team are saying. We don't know if the judge agrees yet. (Is it up to the judge?)

Miss Morris, GIDS barrister, says what about kids already under treatment? Claiming extreme risk of harm if sudden withdrawal of treatment

But treatment is safe and fully reversible right?

Keira is an inspiration i can't imagine how stressful this has been

Keira, you are my woman of the year! You brave wonderful woman

Great news!! even if it forces along the studies into female teenagers who are identifying to make sure that the best treatment options are there for their individual needs, this is a great step.

But if it stops the 'completely irreversible' narrative, even better. Because every time I see that I feel so sad that they miss the next part of the sentence, 'except that long term effects have not yet been studied for the use in transitioning'.... it is almost criminal for any person to not include that disclaimer when they repeat the trope.

Kiera, I applaud and stand in awe of your courage.

In tears here. Fuck yes. Absolutely thrilled.

All power to Keira and Mrs A what warriors you are...and then legal team and to all those who donated. We must keep going. Champagne all round!

Nothing from Mermaids or Joylon yet.

I could kiss the judge.

Congratulations Keira!

In effect, is it like the EA guidance in that the court is stating the law and GIDS has been failing to follow it?

Can't believe the Tavi are trying to claim it's dangerous to take children off blockers when they've been claiming all along they are harmless and reversible.

Fucking bastards.

@justanotherneighinparadise

I hope she gets a MASSIVE fucking payment and it grinds the whole thing to a halt. Disgusting, scandalous practise akin to castrating autistic children.

She’s not in line for a personal payment. It’s a judicial review, she isn’t suing for damages.

Costs covered would be marvellous though.

The precocious puberty blockers argument is absolute bullshit because there is always an end point, when the child reaches a suitable age for puberty and then they are just stopped. The fact the Tavi is concerned about how to stop puberty blockers for gender patients just serves to highlight they have no strategy other than push on with the affirmative pathway and confirms that all of the gender patients must do just that currently. Otherwise, there’d be a recognised protocol, wouldn’t there?

They really are an absolute bag of total fucking dicks who have ruined children and I can’t wait to see them up in front of the MPTS disciplinary panel .

I can't believe it even needed to get this fucking far, that professionals had to be dragged to court to understand that children cannot consent to things that they can't fully understand.

I really can't believe it.

[quote ItsAllGoingToBeFine]Miss Morris, GIDS barrister, says what about kids already under treatment? Claiming extreme risk of harm if sudden withdrawal of treatment.
twitter.com/ObjectUK/status/1333723774328463360?s=19[/quote]
Well that’s strange because haven’t they been arguing all along that the treatment is just a pause & fully reversible. It’s almost as if they knew it wasn’t true.

The Metro reports it like this. I'm not sure what this means for how easily under-16s will be able to consent ...

Trans teens under 16 can get puberty blockers if they understand treatment
metro.co.uk/2020/12/01/trans-teens-under-16-can-get-puberty-blockers-if-they-understand-treatment-13681661/

"Trans children under the age of 16 can only consent to puberty blockers if they understand the nature of the treatment, a High Court has ruled. In a judgement made today, Dame Victoria Sharp – sitting with Lord Justice Lewis and Mrs Justice Lieven – said that children under 16 needed to understand ‘the immediate and long-term consequences’ of puberty blockers before they receive them.

She described a child’s ability to give ‘valid consent’ as being able to ‘understand, retain and weigh’ a number of factors involved in the treatment.

These would include understanding ‘the immediate consequences of the treatment in physical and psychological terms’, and the fact that ‘the vast majority of patients taking puberty blocking drugs proceed to taking cross-sex hormones’, meaning they were a ‘pathway to much greater medical intervention’, she noted.

Dame Victoria also said children would need to understand the impact of the ‘treatment pathway’ on ‘future and life-long relationships’, and be aware of the ‘unknown physical consequences of taking puberty blocking drugs and the fact that the evidence base for this treatment is as yet highly uncertain’."

I'm still awaiting the judgement. TRAs are claiming victory too.

What hashtag is being used on twitter for the judgement?

@PearPickingPorky

Can't believe the Tavi are trying to claim it's dangerous to take children off blockers when they've been claiming all along they are harmless and reversible.

Fucking bastards.

Kinell, hadn't thought of it that way.

@PearPickingPorky

Can't believe the Tavi are trying to claim it's dangerous to take children off blockers when they've been claiming all along they are harmless and reversible.

Fucking bastards.

This this this How do they have the nerve

You bloody Keira

someone has pointed out on twitter that this is going to cause distress in the gnc kids that Mermaids et all have convinced that hormone treatment is the only possible route and appeared to actively discourage them from seeking mental health support.

Maybe now these well-funded charities like Stonewall etc could direct their resources to recruiting counsellors to help the children be happy in their own bodies (and not convinced that we are all out to get them and wish them all dead) without requiring huge medical intervention until they are fully formed adults who can make their own, more objective decisions on whether they need medical treatment?

@calllaaalllaaammma

She won!

Suzanne Moore tweet:
:Kiera Bell has won. But there is no winning here really.
But what a loss she been through. Can we stop and think about puberty blockers and how best to support young people however they identify.

This. Well done Keira.

@fastwigglylines

apparently no grounds for Tavi's appeal as court has merely applied the law

Well, hopefully. That's what Keira's team are saying. We don't know if the judge agrees yet. (Is it up to the judge?)

I think it will be up to next court up.

Ie, GIDS can file for an appeal and then the court decides whether to hear it or not.

Or, they can decide to not file for an appeal, based on legal advice.

Sounds like an appeal will be a waste of money.