Keira

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@Datun

Does Susie Green realise that ‘experimental’ and ‘life saving’ have actual, specific meaning in a medical context? And that treating gender dysphoria with GnRHa drugs is the former, and not the latter?

SG is an IT consultant.

An IT consultant who managed to host confidential Mermaids emails - with names and medical information of their child clients - on a publicly accessible server and didn't realise until the media alerted them.

The ICO investigation is, as far as i know, still "ongoing"

Exactly. Unfortunately, I think some very distressed children (who have been told that this ruling is a 'disaster') will hear these sorts of statements and think that since they are trans they must therefore feel suicidal. If they don't feel suicidal, they might feel as though they ought to feel suicidal.

That's been the approach of organisations like Mermaids all along. Manufacture a base with repeated public statements about (fake) suicide stats, keeping young people in a perpetual state of anxiety about their lives being destroyed, indeed over, if they don't transition.

I’m still trying to catch up with this thread, but wanted to join the chorus of thanks - to Keira and Mrs A and the legal team and all those who put their hands in their pockets to help pay for this, and to all the brilliant women here, dissecting and discussing the judgement. Huge relief, but also sadness and concern for the children caught up in this.

So we know what will happen to Mrs As daughter now? Isn’t she 16 and still wanting to go ahead?

@ThatIsNotMyUsername

Won’t happen for many years - if ever.

I remember watching the documentary (completely different topic) ‘three identical strangers’ - don’t want to spoil it - but there was shenanigans of this size going on, and one person involved was interviewed. She had not one drop of remorse or sympathy for the people whose lives she helped to royally mess up. No awareness of wrongdoing at all.

I watched that and the lack of remorse was chilling. But I think if you look back through history, a lot of the people who conducted medical experiments which were later found to be cruel or damaging were unrepentant. One of the most horrid and cruel being Mengele.

@HecatesCats

Exactly. Unfortunately, I think some very distressed children (who have been told that this ruling is a 'disaster') will hear these sorts of statements and think that since they are trans they must therefore feel suicidal. If they don't feel suicidal, they might feel as though they ought to feel suicidal.

That's been the approach of organisations like Mermaids all along. Manufacture a base with repeated public statements about (fake) suicide stats, keeping young people in a perpetual state of anxiety about their lives being destroyed, indeed over, if they don't transition.

Absolutely. I’m seeing this play out in real time on fb with a person in a group that I’m in who is the mother of a trans identified child on triptolerin. She is making a series of emotive and ever escalating posts about the amount of distress her child is in as a result of this decision. The child is 10 or 11 and I would really like to know how a child of that age has come to be in possession of such detailed information about this case, how they know it’s going to impact them, and why the hell the mother didn’t get a grip of her own emotions before any of the possible implications were shared with the child.

It may lead to that child’s treatment being reviewed, but it hasn’t yet and I’m beyond shocked that the child has now not just been allowed to believe that they’re under threat, they’ve been encouraged into it

I’ve had to mute the thread, and the whole group as I’ve found it so shocking and distressing. I don’t think the mother is at all well, and I hope she and the whole family have good support in place.

I’d be interested in a study on people like that. Lack of guilt feelings, no empathy with those hurt, no understanding of what they are actually doing to another unconsenting human being...

It is worth mentioning that Mermaids as a Charity has been around for quite a while. Before Susie Green took over as CEO (having been a Trustee before I believe) they very much advocated watchful waiting for children but were there to offer emotional support and recommend pathways once the children were old enough to make their own decisions. It’s only under SG’s leadership that they have become such vocal campaigners for transitioning children.

For own reasons.

Mermaids aren't the only organisation to have taken this approach. Fear creates a need for support and ultimately dependency. There's so much fear mongering around the issue. These are key facts about being trans according to Stonewall: www.stonewall.org.uk/sites/default/files/trans_stats.pdf

The child is 10 or 11 and I would really like to know how a child of that age has come to be in possession of such detailed information about this case, how they know it’s going to impact them, and why the hell the mother didn’t get a grip of her own emotions before any of the possible implications were shared with the child.

When is the study into Munchausens by proxy due?

A 10 year old can not understand things at that level and whether it will affect the care pathways available to them. Never mind assess whether the change will be good or bad for them on a personal level.

This is all about the parents.

Dh noticed how much Green refered to the impact on parents - not children - last night and commented on it because he thought it was weird.

This is the article that talks about Mermaid’s policy change, as well as their other nefarious behaviour under SG

www.spiked-online.com/2020/07/03/mermaids-leading-children-up-the-trans-path/

Key stats that should say.

She even claimed to have been ‘working‘ in the field for 21 years, yet she didn’t become a Mermaids employee until 2016, so she must consider raising a trans child to be ‘work’.

Mermaids wasn't always quite like it is now. Archived from 2000, before Susie Green had control of the messaging:

twitter.com/mforstater/status/1318518345705062400?s=21

Picture didn't post before for some reason

Clearly, Mermaids gave no consideration about what provisions it would make if Keira Bell won her case. Maybe its directors were too dim to realise they ought to come up with a plan, such as a counselling helpline they could discuss on Newsnight. Maybe it never occurred to them that the Tavi might lose.

It's unbelievable. Surely they should have had a risk register, mitigation strategy etc, like any organisation?

I remember watching the documentary (completely different topic) ‘three identical strangers’ - don’t want to spoil it - but there was shenanigans of this size going on, and one person involved was interviewed. She had not one drop of remorse or sympathy for the people whose lives she helped to royally mess up. No awareness of wrongdoing at all.

Oh yes, that's a fascinating and heartbreaking documentary. And I can see the parallel.

I think that there are parents who are trying to do whatever they can to help their desperately unhappy child feel better. When there’s a pathway laid out and their GP is referring the child onto it and psychiatrists are agreeing that it’s the way to help their child, I don’t blame them for believing it. I’m sure the vast majority of parents are just trying to support their child. They’ve been let down too.

It's unbelievable. Surely they should have had a risk register, mitigation strategy etc, like any organisation?

I guess this is where grown ups should really sit up and take note that maybe their followers aren't their friends.

This is what happens when you fly high on support and being boosted by randoms online who aren't financially tied to the outcomes or who can unfollw and move on at any time. The lack of constructive criticism , no push to back up claims or provide evidence..

You must get so used to not having to explain anything in any detail that when that detail becomes vital, when you really need to prove your case, you have no idea how to.

The parents have been told that this is the only way to help their child. Some seem to just be too invested in purely having a child in this situation and seem to enjoy the attention/fame/book and tv prospects perhaps? (Maybe I am being unfair). Some may just be horribly homophobic.

Schools have been whipped into a frenzy by lesson plans and outside groups advising them - and I am sure there are some people on the staff who are excited by the prospect of ‘saving’ a child and promote this line despite the parents and in some instances with the parents not even having a clue. They change the set ups of the loos, allow mixed sex changing / showering and classes (that would have been single sex before). They don’t question children who don’t seem to ‘fit the gender box’ and assume that means a change of sex.

They have been fed this fear as absolute fact, 100%. They have merrily collected and fundraises for these people because it’s seen as the ‘right thing to do’ for these ‘poor suicidal kids’.

They have not taken a step back and thought long and hard. They have not looked at the books, nor questioned ‘who gains from this’ whether it be financial or their own conscience.

Wonder if Starbucks will drop the cookie now?

I think the most staggering thing about SG’s appearance last night was her admission that there are regreters, but that the fact that some people regret life changing treatment undertaken when they were too young to understand the consequences is an innevitable and acceptable level of collateral damage.

I have never heard from any other charity that it’s inevitable and acceptable that some people will be damaged by the treatments they advocate.

You know that question we’re always asking on here, how many children do these people think is ok to be harmed? Well SG has openly admitted on national television that the current and future numbers are perfectly acceptable. That is what she has admitted on national television.

Safe schools alliance have written a powerful and blisteringly articulate statement regarding yesterday's judgment.

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2020/12/01/ssauk-statement-on-high-court-ruling-that-children-should-not-be-given-puberty-blockers/amp/?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR2Bhn2oSdqhwy56qAtmPTy4jrE937LHB1qOZEXpj5DKrybEGoIKGv1FvFw

"We agree with all that Professor Scott (Director of University College London’s Institute of Cognitive Neuroscience) has said in this judgment about the ability of under 18’s to consent to this type of “treatment”.

We are disturbed by the comment that “GIDS takes referrals from across England and Wales and from a wide range of professionals in the health, social services and education sectors, and the voluntary sectors.” We do not believe referrals should have been made by people acting on political ideology and not medical training."

We find it astonishing that the Tavistock only adopted a standard operating procedure for the taking of consent on 31 January 2020, when they have been carrying out this experimental treatment since at least 2011. This suggests to us that many children have been treated without informed consent being adequately obtained.

Schools must take heed of this judgement. They cannot continue with policies to affirm a child’s ‘gender identity’. Affirmation puts a child on the path to puberty blockers, and “The evidence shows that the vast majority of children who take PBs move on to take cross-sex hormones, that (these) are two stages of one clinical pathway and once on that pathway it is extremely rare for a child to get off it.” The judgment also notes that “CSH are to a very significant degree not reversible.”

So schools, colluding in socially transitioning a child, must understand that it could constitute the beginning of the medical pathway. And be prepared to accept that.

Not just schools colluding. Supermarkets, coffee chains, sports councils, shops, businesses...

And who put this lot of foxes into the school coops?