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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Keira

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YouNoob · 01/12/2020 10:25

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theskyispink · 02/12/2020 00:10

SG ends by saying listen to young people... yet Keira is somehow exempt from being listened to? 🤔

notassigned · 02/12/2020 00:12

Happy: What amazing news today! Sorry, I've been off the page for a while for self preservation. Someone earlier said Mermaids are no longer saying ' born in the wrong body?!'

Yes I think they have dropped that although on her infamous ted talk Susie Green uses the 'girl brain in a boy body' trope.

HecatesCats · 02/12/2020 00:12

And it is odd how newsnight in the midst of the BBC pro trans reporting has been allowed to do a number of reports.

Editorial team with a different direction to the main thrust of the daily news agenda, expected to reflect it but also sit outside/above it, so free to pursue in depth investigations etc. I also think a powerful female presence in editorial roles with Maitlis at the helm has an inevitable influence (for the good).

BettyDuKeiraBellisMyShero · 02/12/2020 00:13

Does Susie Green realise that ‘experimental’ and ‘life saving’ have actual, specific meaning in a medical context? And that treating gender dysphoria with GnRHa drugs is the former, and not the latter?

Has she convinced herself that the gender propaganda is real?

Or does she know she is perpetuating misinformation and just doesn’t care?

RozWatching · 02/12/2020 00:13

She even claimed to have been ‘working‘ in the field for 21 years, yet she didn’t become a Mermaids employee until 2016, so she must consider raising a trans child to be ‘work’.

Yes, odd.

SG in a 2018 interview:
"‘It explained why Jack’s favourite outfits were a pink tutu and a Snow White costume. Why he asked for Barbies, Polly Pockets and My Little Pony for Christmas, and why, when his Dad bought him Thomas the Tank Engine, toy cars and garages, he discarded them.

‘I jumped from fear to denial and told Jack it was fine to be a boy who liked girly things but that did not make him a girl. He was my first child and I just thought I had a very effeminate little boy who was gay.

‘This was 20 years ago — I knew nothing about transgender people then. For the next few years, although I tried to convince Jack that liking girls’ things did not make him a girl, he’d insist: “But Mummy, I am a girl.”

‘It caused massive rows with my then husband, who believed he needed to make Jack toughen up and be masculine. I remember how angry he was.’

Jackie was seven years old when Susie took her to the Tavistock Gender Identity Clinic in London, where, within a year, she was diagnosed with gender dysphoria (a condition where a person experiences distress because of the mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity).

The clinic advised that while she should continue in her male persona publicly, inside the home she should wear whatever clothes she chose."

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6275447/My-child-wouldnt-today-hadnt-gone-Jack-Jackie.html

notassigned · 02/12/2020 00:13

Indeed, theskyispink. Listen to young people. No, not those young people.

OvaHere · 02/12/2020 00:14

@theskyispink

SG ends by saying listen to young people... yet Keira is somehow exempt from being listened to? 🤔
Ah but you see Keira is just that rare, outlying 1% or less that have regrets. They know this of course because so many follow up studies have been done and the Tavi kept impeccable records.

Oh wait...

stumbledin · 02/12/2020 00:15

Oh this is lovely (am a bit tired and sentimental)

"I was a slave to my feelings. I didn't need drugs or surgery, I needed to know I was just fine the was I was."

Keira Bell.

twitter.com/genderisharmful/status/1333487292195942400

PurpleHoodie · 02/12/2020 00:16

She keeps saying it like it's a great big gotcha, but it really isn't

What other treatment pathway takes a child with no physical health problems and leaves them a sterile, sexually dysfunctional permanent medical patient with missing body parts?

This.

DeaconBoo · 02/12/2020 00:19

Just another note on that Newsnight report (and I think someone mentioned this during the actual case) - EM introduced it by explaining about hormone treatment - "testosterone for girls, oestrogen for boys" - rather than talking about trans boys and trans girls. Surprised this was allowed!

Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud · 02/12/2020 00:21

Wow, Suzie green saying that no other medical procedure requires court approval clearly has no knowledge of how parts of the mental health act work. To give some people treatment requires a warrant/ for others a tribunal. It's not that unheard of.

Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud · 02/12/2020 00:22

*to give some people some treatments

RedToothBrush · 02/12/2020 00:27

@Tierful

Is there a word for Trump style lie & deny? It’s becoming so common place, we really need excellent journalists to pull apart every misleading statement. Sadly I don’t think the news formats as they are allow for this.
Misinformation and propaganda.

Its always been around. We go through cycles of it becoming more prominent.

This happens in periods of political instability and unrest. Its associated with authoritarianism.

fastwigglylines · 02/12/2020 00:28

@BettyDuKeiraBellisMyShero

Does Susie Green realise that ‘experimental’ and ‘life saving’ have actual, specific meaning in a medical context? And that treating gender dysphoria with GnRHa drugs is the former, and not the latter?

Has she convinced herself that the gender propaganda is real?

Or does she know she is perpetuating misinformation and just doesn’t care?

I suspect she's not very bright.
Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud · 02/12/2020 00:31

"And SG apart from the emotional threat that young people will commit suicide (and it was BBC fact checker some months ago who came up with the real stats on that) really seemed to think that the big clincher for her arguement was what other treatment for children would be put through the extra precaution of legal permission"

I think that Suzie Green is irresponsible for going against all the Samaritans guidance on how to talk about suicide

BettyFloop · 02/12/2020 00:34

Kiera was excellent - calm, measured and entirely reasonable.
I love how she empathises with the distress (terror?) of children currently in the grip of genderist ideology without losing her focus on the mental health issues - "When we're dealing with the topic of mental health, emotions will be running high - I would've been in the same position. I completely empathise with them [children whose blockers will be stopped as a result of the judgement] Better mental health services need to be put in place to help them through the period they're going through. That's vital"
And "it isn't possible for under 16's to consent to that treatment Those protections are put in place for a reason."

Ms Green, on the other hand, anecdotal and rather....odd.
It looked like she could feel her crown slipping. Her language was, as usual, emotive and dramatic - "discrimination against trans people, nobody else has this kind of measure against young people and their autonomy over their own bodies, it's only young people who are trans who are subjected to this (you need to read Mumsnet more Susie - us mums are very aware of what the law says about what can and cannot be done to children's bodies - with or without their say-so. Mind you, I'm sure Susie is equally aware...) "the Mermaids helpline has been "swamped" by families and young people" and the inevitable "rise in self harm and suicidality"... but Emily Maitlis challenged it all. "The Court weighed up thousands of pages of evidence, they heard from young people, they took those views into account - they've done their homework on this and they think more protection and guidance for young people is used for these drugs that they know very little about"
Susie stuck to her guns as her crown slipped further when EM used evidence to debunk the suicide myth when all she had was the same old anecdotal nonsense. She came across as completely ridiculous, frankly.

Emily Maitlis is a good egg. Kiera Bell is a Star

colouringindoors · 02/12/2020 00:45

I ❤ Keira Bell.

HecatesCats · 02/12/2020 00:52

The closing paragraph in the Janice Turner report for The Times:

They need proper mental health support. I just wish someone had analysed my situation and the problems I had without changing my body. My body was fine.

Keira Thanks

AnotherLass · 02/12/2020 00:53

DeaconBoo

Yeah it seemed very pointed to me. Maitlis didn't have to say it like that and I think she did that deliberately (being as she has shown some signs of being gender critical before).

thirdfiddle · 02/12/2020 01:01

"testosterone for girls, oestrogen for boys"
Yes I spotted that!
Clearly you can't say T for boys, O for girls as that would befuddle any audience not up on the issues, i.e. most of them.
Perhaps for once the sentence spaghetti needed to express the concept clearly in woke-speak lost out to plain English.

Melroses · 02/12/2020 01:01

Yes Keira is a Star

She has gone from one interview to another since the judgement this morning and still managed a Newsnight interview that was far from easy.

I hope she is enjoying some downtime Flowers

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 02/12/2020 01:07

It happens the other way too - this boy was given hormones at the age of 12 because he was convinced he was a girl - by 14, he'd realised he was a boy. Now he needs surgery to remove the breasts he started to grow. This happened in Australia but now he lives in the UK

BettyDuKeiraBellisMyShero · 02/12/2020 01:14

The mum in the above video gave her son her own HRT because she was so afraid he might suicide.

I wonder who put that idea in her head? And in her son’s head?

Mermaids and their ilk have so much to answer for.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 02/12/2020 01:21

Agreed.

BettyFloop · 02/12/2020 01:26

Mermaids and their ilk have so much to answer for.

Ain't that the truth....

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