International day for the elimination of violence against women

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refreshingly for the UN they seem to be talking about women and girls....

I'm so sick of the accusations of hatred. Where is it? Are you reading FWR in some kind of parallel universe? Or do you interpret anything that differs from your opinion as 'hate' ?

It's like popping up on remembrance Sunday to say 'my grandad died of a heart attack, not in a war, he needs remembering too!

not sure what you mean by bigotry and hatred moondust?

I'm not bigoted and I don't hate anyone but I do want to protect women's rights and it is especially disappointing to see organisations be so quick to refuse to recognise women suffering violence and centre other non-female people on that particular day.

The way that women suffer from violence is different to the way men or any other people suffer violence so if you can't describe the particular issues faced by women, it is much harder to target them and prevent it.

Who does your feminism centre?

Oh just bore off Moondust001

Seriously I can't say any more than that. Im so utterly disgusted by some of the stuff I have seen and read over the last few days, including the actions of Leeds City Council as it happens, that I don't even have any thing else to say.

I'd also like to point out that if some of the women here hadn't heard of this day before, it might just possibly be because of precisely what we're complaining about - the media, politicians, police etc etc not giving it any publicity.

Violence against women is just too bloody ordinary to fuss about.

As one o& the come latelys on here. Cheers for that moondust

As was reading the Suzanne Moore piece on unherd as posted on this board

She talked about going to Armenia where sex selection at 12 weeks has resulted in a massive number of girls not being born

She went into schools where there were classes with 25 boys and 5 girls

Then she wrote she came back here and was told sex is assigned at birth 🤷‍♀️

This come to lately feminist has learnt so much from here and only will ever centre girls and women

That is feminism

You're not that 'come lately', dog - you posted re VAW a year ago.
for your friend.

So what I get from this is that 95 women's lives are worth less than zero. (That's the stats).

West Yorkshire police trolling for sure. Bastards

Not sure why anyone is falling around laughing about it all TBH but some people are just aresholes I suppose.

Bigotry and hatred?

Is that what you call every discussion that centres women?

Great version of feminism you hold to!

Here is where women voice their anger and dismay at having anything female being disrupted, modified, male centred. You call that bigotry and hate?

Decrying the patriarchal obliteration of anything that celebrates women is bigotry and hate?

When even women round upon other women for noticing when they are being undermined it only helps make those with their eyes and ears open more determined!

@ErrolTheDragon

I'd also like to point out that if some of the women here hadn't heard of this day before, it might just possibly be because of precisely what we're complaining about - the media, politicians, police etc etc not giving it any publicity.

Violence against women is just too bloody ordinary to fuss about.

well quite Errol!

violence against women is so normalised, so everyday isnt it ? it doesnt come with glitter and rainbows does it, no celebrities line up to protest it, no company wants to light up their buildings for it, party leaders dont want to name it, Amnesty cant even bring itself to use the word woman

so if a lot of women are not aware of it, it's hardly fucking surprising is it

I am surprised if anyone who has been a feminist for a long time think it’s fine to obliterate the specific issues, still affecting those of the female sex (whether they identify as such or not) by obliterating them with a narrative that the struggle is over. Particularly on the day specifically designated for this issue. All is well, nothing to see here... there is a worthier cause in town and of course men suffer DV too (although strangely are statistically very unlikely to be strangled by a natal woman during sex, when they try to leave a relationship, try to avoid an arranged marriage or tell a spouse about an affair.) It’s all lives matter gaslighting on a grand scale...

I don’t know whether it’s just knitted into the fabric of our culture - whether it’s a million crime dramas involving sexual assault and murder of women, or the narrative of lovelorn men fighting to get their true love back by attrition (woman doing the same would be a “bunny boiler”) or the narrative of a nice family man who snapped because of stress...job loss...she did something to cause his anger??

Is it more comfortable for society in general to disregard the background of frequent sex based violence and focus on the outliers... the serial killers, racists, transphobes and paedophiles.... because the slightly overbearing husband of the woman next door or the new boyfriend your daughter brings home where something just feels “off”, the policeman, the pastor, the pillar of the community is harder to acknowledge. They have friends, colleagues, families who would never believe they have another side to them. Hollywood super starts have devoted fans. It holds up a mirror to the capabilities within humans, particularly men, to do horrible things... but because they aren’t obviously monsters, the victim must have deserved it somehow.

CanWeCancel2020 you've got it bang on, I think. Violence against women is just boringly normal. I think, deep down, we all believe it's natural, the way it's supposed to be, and therefore can't be changed. Written into our DNA. We're socialised to believe that boys will be boys, men will be violent, and women will be attacked. It's just the way it is.

There is something of the psychological trauma response within all this (I have PTSD, thankfully not caused by violence, so have read a lot about trauma trying to understand it). Trauma victims are often blamed because subconsciously it's too awful to contemplate that terrible things just happen / are done to other humans for no rhyme or reason other than, in these cases, being female. We try to make meaning from the senseless because that makes us feel safer, as though we have more control.

You make an excellent point that society cannot comprehend how awfully a lot of males think about and treat women (NAMALT, Obv), so we look for other explanations because the truth is terrifying.

In this way male violence is normalised.

Malala Yousafzai was shot in the head, it was nowt to do with how she 'identified' and everything to do with the fact that she is of the female sex and has a female body.

It was both. She identified herself as a human being with a right to an education. She stepped out of the local gender box and was punished for it. Would the boys who mirror her actions by refusing school be shot in the head for it?

I'm a day late posting, but for the transman in the taxi, and shame on the signatories who forget him.

I rarely, as a feminist, post anything on these boards here because there seems to be only one definition of feminism accepted. And it isn't one that I recognise, where womens rights represents so much bigotry and hatred.

Funny, I've been thinking the same about the LGBT ''community'' lately.

You must have been sleeping and missed the vicious, raging hatred some of these transactivists are shamelessly displaying for women, and their complete intolerance to women's opinions and experiences, ie-bigots.

Transactivists think the way to get privileges ''rights'' is to threaten to RAPE women.

They threaten to cerb stomp women (You know what cerb stomping is, yes?)

They've wished death on children.

They throw transphobic abuse at transgender and transsexual people who don't agree with their ideology.

They've tweeted graphic porn AT children who were having their art judged by their favourite author.

They disrupted a women's meeting because they couldn't be letting women talk amongst them without men there to tell them how wrong they are.

They let off smoke bombs at another women's meeting, very near the site where 72 people died in a horrific fire.

They get women sacked for believing in the biological reality of sex.

But sure, male violence is all women's fault. Don't make me laugh coming to tell us how full of hate we are Why not try popping onto a trans board to tell them to stop their bigoted hatred and see how well you do.

I suffer with orthostatic hypotension... I think I have finally found a cure... open one of these tweets just before trying to stand up and maybe it will put my bloodpressure up enough for me not to feel faint after I stand up....

to the woman who was murdered at the bottom of our road. You are not forgotten, and you gave me the courage to leave a few weeks later. Thank you, may you rest in peace.

[quote Doyoumind]So, The Independent has taken the opportunity today to print fake news suggesting it isn't actually females who face the threat of violence and murder. We aren't at as great a risk as TW apparently. Who knew? We must all have misinterpreted the stats.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/olivia-colman-jameela-jamil-paloma-faith-trans-women-letter-b1761714.html[/quote]
This is actually heartbreaking. I could cry that even a day specifically about women not being murdered is centred around male born people and the label cis is bandied around. I can believe society has been sleepwalking into this and now it feels too late to go back. So depressing.

What an absolutely shameful letter, youvegottenminuteslynn. I notice the usual suspects are on there like Claire Maugham, Ellie -Mae O'Hagan, Elle Hunt, Ash Sarkar etc. Also Clara Vulliamy (daughter of Shirley Hughes).

@RoyalCorgi

What an absolutely shameful letter, youvegottenminuteslynn. I notice the usual suspects are on there like Claire Maugham, Ellie -Mae O'Hagan, Elle Hunt, Ash Sarkar etc. Also Clara Vulliamy (daughter of Shirley Hughes).

Three Mulreadys too and Sam Smether's daughter I believe

what littlbrowndog said.

With bells on.

Let's not forget Reni Eddo-Lodge, Zarah Sultana MP and Nadia Whittome MP. Anyone else seen Nadia's delightful tweet?

that letter makes me

*This come to lately feminist has learnt so much from here and only will ever centre girls and women

That is feminism*

Yes to this littl!

This from the letter is just horseshit and refusing to accept that they are who they say they are.

Why didn't anyone tell me that everyone is exactly who they say they are?? A Nigerian prince has been trying to give me money for the last few months, but I didn't believe he was who he said he was and now I've lost out on thousands, dammit!

So I guess that was just a drive by wokescolding from moon?

You can’t see my surprised face because I’m wearing a mask, but honest, it’s really, really surprised 😷

Owen Jones has now of course shared it too. I wonder if his sharing it the day after IDEVAW was deliberate or not...

Nadia Whittome has been massively ratioed on Twitter.

Angela Rayner finally retweeted a single tweet, but women are not worthy of a personal video from her.

I honestly just don't get it. What are the likes of Rayner and Whittome actually getting out of making themselves look so bad, making it look like they literally just don't give a fuck about women? Why?! It's bizarre.