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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Ooo, Jo Maugham isn't happy...

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Xanthangum · 23/11/2020 08:23

Jo Maugham (@JolyonMaugham) Tweeted:
"We waited some weeks for the BBC to be ready to cover our legal action to protect the legal rights of trans children. And the piece is up and is quite extraordinary. I'm not going to link to it because it is inaccurate and gives space to a transphobic hate group." twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1330758709140729856?s=20

Which I assume refers to this piece:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55015959

And he says this about LGB Alliance, which feels stupidly for a lawyer libellous: The third point is they have quoted the so-called LGB Alliance - a dark money funded astro-turfed hate group - on the healthcare of trans teenagers. What next? Will the BBC be quoting white supremacists on whether sickle cell anaemia should be treated on the NHS?

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BettyDuKeiraBellisMyShero · 23/11/2020 11:09

if you tell a kid they need surgery to be happy then they're going to fixate on that.

Absolutely. I was a teen when breast implants and nose jobs were first leaving the domain of ‘posh celeb’ and becoming accessible.

Luckily, back then, there was an absolute line that boob jobs weren’t available until you had completed natural pubertal development, by which time we were all out in the world doing first jobs, having romances, going to uni etc, so the inward focus and body hatred of the teenage years had dissipated.

It must be a massive headfuck if the social messages that are feeding your body hatred are also telling you that you must physically act on it before puberty is complete (or you will attempt or suicide).

When you look at the issues in the bigger picture, it’s absolutely obvious that the current day trans narrative is at odd with everything we know about adolescent development (and watchful waiting with psychological support, available in a timely fashion, is far more appropriate).

Gender distress in children and adolescents IS real, but transition is not the evidenced solution Jolyon and his Fishy Friends claim it to be.

TyroTerf · 23/11/2020 11:12

Seeing as a statistically above average number of children presenting at gender clinics are found to be on the spectrum I suspect earlier diagnosis and support for autism is something that would have a tangible effect on the GIC waiting lists.

Yep. And earlier identification of and support for the kids being sexually abused would do wonders too.

The third point of the typical trinity is lesbianism and I'm not keen on early diagnosis there (for obvious reasons) but again, support is needed for parents to stop freaking out that their kid's probably gay, and so much needs to be done culturally to stop proto-lesbians developing self-hatred.

GrimSisters · 23/11/2020 11:17

I find it intriguing that JM and a whole host of organisations run by adults, are so invested in ensuring that children are given powerful drugs to suspend them in a pre-pubertal state.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 23/11/2020 11:17

I wonder if it’s worth a report to the Bar Standards Board under Core Duty 5

He states he is a Barrister on his profile and he is talking about a legal case.

Ooo, Jo Maugham isn't happy...
TyroTerf · 23/11/2020 11:21

I was a teen when breast implants and nose jobs were first leaving the domain of ‘posh celeb’ and becoming accessible.

I was lucky enough to have a most unremarkable nose, but I grew up fat and hearing feel-good stories about how liposuction helped women to feel happy and whole. I would have loved to get it - and it would have done my mental health no good whatsoever longterm, because my fatness is a result of my comorbidities and would return in time if they weren't treated.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/11/2020 11:24

How much of this is just a PR exercise to promote his wider aims? A Judicial Review will only be granted as a last resort of there are no other avenues and the Cass review will be covering all this- e.g. that is why Keira dropped her other case.

Yes, I was thinking this too.

nauticant · 23/11/2020 11:30

You mean being able to create of narrative of "even the judges are against us"? Like Trump?

PersonaNonGarter · 23/11/2020 11:31

@ChazsBrilliantAttitude

I wonder if it’s worth a report to the Bar Standards Board under Core Duty 5

He states he is a Barrister on his profile and he is talking about a legal case.

I wondered about this. If this case case is live, a complaint about him could be made by LGB Alliance directly to the judge. Just need a well written intervention.
Abitofalark · 23/11/2020 11:33

@MillieEpple

What does astro-turfed mean?
It's political jargon and a play on the word grass roots. It's pretending there is a genuine grass roots campaign with popular support when in fact it has a hidden agenda, sponsor or financial source.
fatblackcatspaw · 23/11/2020 11:37

I'm fair sickened by twitter this morning and have just donated to LGB Alliance in the name of Joylon and urge others to do the same.

Duckwit · 23/11/2020 11:44

Interesting that it was Ben 'trans people are being denied the right to exist' Hunte that wrote this. Maybe someone has had a word in his ear about what the word 'impartiality' means.

Could someone DM me what skin in the game it is that JM has with all this - I could take a guess but I don't really know?

PronounssheRa · 23/11/2020 11:48

This is clearly a personal crusade by jolyon, how it got through when it doesn't meet a number of the criteria set by the directors is baffling.

Duckwit · 23/11/2020 11:48

The other thing I don't get is, once again, this is all so contradictory.

We are constantly being told that being trans is not a mental health issue. We are also now told that no one is born in the wrong body. So what is it, exactly, that 'trans healthcare' is actually treating?

Apparently being trans is just like being gay, but when a teenager comes out as gay, there are no referrals, no clinics, no waiting lists, no drugs, no surgery.

What is the so desperately needed 'health care' actually needed for, if its not a mental health issue, no one is born in the wrong body and its just like being gay?

PurpleHoodie · 23/11/2020 11:56

Thank you LittleCabbage and Kit.

Now.

Where do they get their statistics on UK based suicises from? Those that would hold up in Courts of Law say?

PurpleHoodie · 23/11/2020 11:57

^suicides.

Xanthangum · 23/11/2020 12:01

Oh look, P*nk N#ws have picked up the story

www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/11/23/trans-teen-nhs-gender-clinic-legal-challenge-good-law-project/

Theyve taken out one side of the story! Proper, proper journalism right there.

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TyroTerf · 23/11/2020 12:02

So what is it, exactly, that 'trans healthcare' is actually treating?

That's just it - the thing that may need treatment isn't the body. It's the mind. The surgery functions to make it harder for others to feel comfortable raising an eyebrow at the self-beliefs - and it makes it harder for the individual to raise an eyebrow at her/his/their/its self.

It's easier to say "Of course I'm not a woman" when you haven't got boobs. Easier to say it to yourself, and easier to persuade others to play along. Works quite well, until you run into the women who've had a mastectomy for cancer-related reasons.

Kit19 · 23/11/2020 12:06

Purple

I believe that the stats come from a self selecting survey carried out by stonewall. Im sure we’ve had quite a few threads mentioning it, I’ll try & dig them out

PopperUppleton · 23/11/2020 12:08

[quote DrudgeJedd]He's currently recruiting for a personal assistant if any members of his fan club here want to applyGrin goodlawproject.org/news/assistant-jolyon-maugham-qc/[/quote]
Haven't got to the end of the thread yet, but I needed to comment on this.

I'm an Executive Assistant and eminently qualified to do this job, but the salary is risible. And it's supposed to be central London!

Mind, it would be interesting to 'work' on his beliefs - a good assistant manages their boss, not the other way round. I'm a really good assistant 😁

PurpleHoodie · 23/11/2020 12:09

Thanks Kit.

Escapeplanning · 23/11/2020 12:10

He's really lost the plot. He's joining the Scottish actor and the Irish Amnesty Director in telling us how much they hate LGB people, parents, clinicians and feminists who can see this differently for legitimate and important reasons.

I am reminded of the warning about the escalation of rage when people don't get things entirely their own way.

PurpleHoodie · 23/11/2020 12:12

I'm an Executive Assistant and eminently qualified to do this job, but the salary is risible. And it's supposed to be central London!

Popper.

I concur.

MaudTheInvincible · 23/11/2020 12:13

Yes Escapeplanning

The rage has overtaken him.

Longtalljosie · 23/11/2020 12:17

Also, I see he's complaining because the BBC didn't mention his argument about suicide risks. The BBC steers away from mentioning suicide because normalizing it is dangerous ("kids who are denied puberty blockers will become suicidal" - imagine the effect of that on a vulnerable mind).

I’d be surprised if BBC news makes the suicide claim again. They have a department which analyses news and stress-tests statistics