Ooo, Jo Maugham isn't happy...

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Jo Maugham (@JolyonMaugham) Tweeted:
"We waited some weeks for the BBC to be ready to cover our legal action to protect the legal rights of trans children. And the piece is up and is quite extraordinary. I'm not going to link to it because it is inaccurate and gives space to a transphobic hate group." twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1330758709140729856?s=20

Which I assume refers to this piece:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55015959

And he says this about LGB Alliance, which feels stupidly for a lawyer libellous: The third point is they have quoted the so-called LGB Alliance - a dark money funded astro-turfed hate group - on the healthcare of trans teenagers. What next? Will the BBC be quoting white supremacists on whether sickle cell anaemia should be treated on the NHS?

BettyDuKeiraBellisMyHero

Thank you - she is doing well. All the best for your daughter.

No JM isn’t going to do the same for other children. Does seem a strange choice for the Good Law Project. On the upside Ben Hunte does actually seem to be reporting on an issue and not just writing an opinion piece. Wonder if this down to the new DG.

@OvaHere

Seeing as a statistically above average number of children presenting at gender clinics are found to be on the spectrum I suspect earlier diagnosis and support for autism is something that would have a tangible effect on the GIC waiting lists.

Agree.

In fact, I can Jolyon’s court action instigating a move towards all GIDS referrals having to come from CAMHS, who will be tasked with diagnosing comorbid conditions first.

CAMHS is miles off the 18 week wait target as well, of course, but if ‘trans kids’ are on the same waitlist as other kids, it won’t be able to be spun as anti trans discrimination.

Which would be a spectacular backfire on old Foxy Kimono.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

That was ITV.

I stand corrected

Bit unethical of ITV there, eh?

OvaHere

Seeing as a statistically above average number of children presenting at gender clinics are found to be on the spectrum I suspect earlier diagnosis and support for autism is something that would have a tangible effect on the GIC waiting lists.

Yes.

Who else - individuals, or organisations - are telling parents that their children will commit suicide?

SIL had to push really hard and wait years for an ASD diagnosis for her DS.

I've been waiting to hear from specialists on a GP referral I had in August 2019 - will the Good Law Project take the NHS to court for me?

I agree with whoever said there was editorial pushback on this - you've got the BBC going to LGB Alliance for a quote and the only medical expert quoted is a counter-opinion.

Plus the NHS comment at the end - basically the Vulpine Assassin is wasting tax payers money taking the NHS to court over something they're already looking at.

I'm all in favour of shortening the waiting times for evidence-based care, though.

Especially if those individuals, or organisations are being paid for their messages - by government funding.

We need names publicised.

Thanks, RoyalCorgi. I see that JM knows whom he can slag off with impunity, then. Still seems ... intemperate to fling about wild accusations like that. I think about half an hour with google would show his claims to be nonsense - and yes, it certainly lowers my opinion of the professionalism of lawyers, spreading what sound like rather wild conspiracy theories. But - maybe I'm wrong, maybe he will be happy to provide the receipts about the dark money etc. Did he mention lizards, or was that someone else?

@PurpleHoodie

Who else - individuals, or organisations - are telling parents that their children will commit suicide?

Mermaids

[https://fairplayforwomen.com/suicide/]

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Foxy Kimono

Still seems ... intemperate to fling about wild accusations like that.

Agreed. It's very unprofessional. Lawyers should be able to look at a topic dispassionately, and obviously he can't do that. It doesn't reflect well on him.

Maugham's twitter bio: Perform your values.

Children with mental health concerns should be seen as quickly as possible and that should be within 18 weeks. That they can’t is a scandal currently prevalent across the world.

The problem is, as we al know, that the sole aim of getting into a gender clinic quickly is to start hormone treatment quickly. It’s not to be properly assessed, it’s not to treat psychological co-morbidities with appropriate therapy, it’s not to address trauma, it’s not to deal with safeguarding concerns. JM’s only concern is to get kids on hormones quick because of the lie that is that is the best treatment.

Once again, not a single public acknowledgment of the harm this pathway does: no mention of infertility, sexual dysfunction/absence of function, and so on, and so on.

It’s so predictable.

JM’s only concern is to get kids on hormones quick because of the lie that is that is the best treatment.

And to equivocate about their reversibility in the process, when the NHS is now clear that little is known about the long term effects.

Gosh, this topic makes people act crazy. I remember a few months ago when jo was all “let’s hear both sides” and all about balance and now he’s practically frothing at the mouth about hate groups all because the BBC wrote an unbiased article. How is he going to be in court ? He can’t seem to bear any contrary opinion!

I also notice that he poo poos a doctor who talks about the watch and wait approach and says this goes against protocols since the 1970s. I have no idea where he is getting the idea of 1970s treatment from. I actually read up on this and in the 1970s children with dysphoria (who were tiny in number and mostly male) were treated either with the watch and wait approach or, horribly, underwent strong aversion therapy where anything girly was associated with a negative stimulus. The outcome was that the vast majority deisisted, so much so that in the 1980s the standard view in psychology was that there was no such thing as the “trans child”.

And I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again... why is the rhetoric so different for trans kids and trans adults? Trans adults: we are happy with our bodies, we don’t need to change, our penises are lady penises, it’s hateful and wrong to assume that trans people need surgery. Trans kids: we must transition fully as quickly as possible to avoid us going through the “wrong” puberty. Eh? I’m sorry, why can’t you just tell the kids there is no wrong body or puberty?

From what I have seen paediatric hormone treatment in other areas is fairly conservative.

A child I know needed growth hormone and also hormone treatment to bring on sexual maturity for a different reason, and they seemed to start treatment long after her peers had finished their growth spurt and stopped when she was still quite petite.

They seem to do only what is necessary so that they avoid the undesirable consequences and risks.

I don't know about the 1970s, but there isn't such a thing as a trans child, any more than there's a [insert any ideology which shapes people's view of themselves] child - there's certainly gender nonconforming children (I was one) and children who experience dysphoria, and children who unconsciously (and often for very sound reasons) seek to escape the gendered expectations that come with puberty (and I was definitely one of these). Some of these children may grow up and be trans-identified, most will not.

It's impossible to know which small proportion of children will grow up to identify as trans as adults. Until then, it makes no sense to talk about "trans children".

@Melroses

From what I have seen paediatric hormone treatment in other areas is fairly conservative. A child I know needed growth hormone and also hormone treatment to bring on sexual maturity for a different reason, and they seemed to start treatment long after her peers had finished their growth spurt and stopped when she was still quite petite. They seem to do only what is necessary so that they avoid the undesirable consequences and risks.

There is a huge dissonance here. Paediatric endocrinologists are the people you refer to when a teenager fails to go through puberty, because they know how important a process it is and how it needs happen for future wellbeing. Yet here they’re deliberately stopping teenagers going through puberty and ignoring its importance for overall human development on the basis of poor evidence and ideology.

Those involved will have to explain why at some stage.

For some reason I can’t get this song out of my head.

I'm not looking at his twitter cos I'm too busy spitting tacks over the BBC article.

Still, I guess this is proof that JM is incapable of analysing sex on a demographic level. And has little understanding of child development.

If you tell a kid they need surgery to be happy then they're going to fixate on that.

I feel for the one JM's championing but the kid's got a transgenderist mindset. Surgical and hormonal treatment to create a female->transsexual body is not the answer! And if it is, JM needs to be consistent and push for the NHS to provide rhinoplasty and liposuction too.

Thank you littlecabbage.

Any other individuals and organisations who are willing to announce publicly actual suicide staticics?

How much of this is just a PR exercise to promote his wider aims? A Judicial Review will only be granted as a last resort of there are no other avenues and the Cass review will be covering all this- e.g. that is why Keira dropped her other case.

^statistics

PurpleHoodie
Stonewall www.stonewall.org.uk/sites/default/files/trans_stats.pdf