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Ooo, Jo Maugham isn't happy...

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Xanthangum · 23/11/2020 08:23

Jo Maugham (@JolyonMaugham) Tweeted:
"We waited some weeks for the BBC to be ready to cover our legal action to protect the legal rights of trans children. And the piece is up and is quite extraordinary. I'm not going to link to it because it is inaccurate and gives space to a transphobic hate group." twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1330758709140729856?s=20

Which I assume refers to this piece:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55015959

And he says this about LGB Alliance, which feels stupidly for a lawyer libellous: The third point is they have quoted the so-called LGB Alliance - a dark money funded astro-turfed hate group - on the healthcare of trans teenagers. What next? Will the BBC be quoting white supremacists on whether sickle cell anaemia should be treated on the NHS?

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SophocIestheFox · 24/11/2020 17:16

He does seem to be a day late and a dollar short jumping on this now, just as the reverse ferret has been called on puberty blocker reversibility and the concept of being born in the wrong body.

HecatesCats · 24/11/2020 22:54

JM & Cashman consoling each other that the BBC will one day see the error of its ways for being so 'anti-science':

twitter.com/jolyonmaugham/status/1331180169869094912?s=21

NewlyGranny · 24/11/2020 23:03

JM talking about 'illegitimate ideas' as if he is the thought police, though. Ideas can be right, wrong or neutral but I don't see how they can be 'illegitimate' any more than people can be 'illegal'.

Everyone seems to agree in hating the BBC, though, who somehow manage to be misogynistic and transphobic at the same time!

Aesopfable · 24/11/2020 23:43

The BBC have yet to discover that even their craven capitulation is not enough.

VulvaPerson · 25/11/2020 00:46

Erm, he has got to be taking the piss now?!

When the future history of the rise in England of hatecrime, antiscience and lietelling comes to be written the finger will be pointed squarely at the BBC for its failure to engage in a thoughtful way with what "impartiality" requires.

Whinging about impartiality, a day after moaning that the article gave both sides of the story instead of just repeating his press release or whatever?! That the journalist actually looked for an argument, nstead of just putting the one view as gospel. Does he even know what impartiality means?

I used to actally think this guy was quite intelligent. I am not usually quite so wrong about things Hmm

VulvaPerson · 25/11/2020 00:50

I wish someone would have released his press shite, with a reply from a NHS spokesperson or something talking about how puberty blockers are not harmless or fully reversible. Would love to have seen how he would spin that one..

The constant labelling of LGB alliance as anti LGBT is, a little stupid. Yeah, Simon Fanshawe and co are definitely 100% homophobic nazis Hmm

(Not actually calling him a nazi, befre I am zapped for that, as everything is taken so damn literally now by the monitors it seems)

SunsetBeetch · 25/11/2020 11:07

I can't wait to see this bite him on the bum. What an idiot.

RoyalCorgi · 25/11/2020 11:45

I used to actally think this guy was quite intelligent. I am not usually quite so wrong about things

It's obvious to me that a lot of trans activists are operating in bad faith - that their motive is entirely to attack women's rights, and in particular their right to gather in single-sex spaces. The weird thing about Maugham is that he appears to be sincere. He really believes something that is quite obviously nonsensical and that we are all terrible human beings for pointing it out. The fact that he consistently blocks everyone who politely dissents, however, does suggest that he is dimly aware that his belief rests on very flimsy ground.

LastTrainEast · 25/11/2020 11:51

As a rule of thumb if he is having a tantrum then the world is getting better.

MichelleofzeResistance · 25/11/2020 12:53

I guess because he has blocked everyone who might have let him know.

I keep reminding myself every time my mental gears crunch; when you're trying to understand someone who has hung their cap on an ideology that reality is what you feel and what you want it to be, while silencing and erasing the facts that get in your way (and in the case of this individual deriding and suggesting legal repression to try and control everyone around you to prevent them mentioning any bits that get in your way)… there's really limited point expecting logic or rationality. Which makes communicating and finding shared ground with them nearly impossible.

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NonHypotheticalLurkingParent · 25/11/2020 15:05

Well, from that all I can see happening is an initial triage appointment happening within 18 weeks. This is what our trust does, you get seen within the 18 weeks, but are then referred onwards - which takes years.

There’s no way the treatment from private providers will happen, for a trust to commission it there will need to be concrete evidence of level/improved outcomes. There’s none of this - the Tavi hasn’t even got concrete data on outcome for their own services, which is why the other review is underway. They only have anecdotal data, the NHS does commission on anecdata.

SeaRabbit · 02/12/2020 19:28

A GC friend had contributed to the Good Law Project and emailed them asking if her money contributed to the trans actions they are mounting.
She's had a reply, that basically yes it has, even though all she signed up for is to fight things like the government overpaying their cronies for PPE.

Here's the link that they sent to support why they think (Jolyon thinks) this is a good thing to support:

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/system/files/lgbtinnbritain--transreportt_final.pdf

I suspect it's rubbish statistics

Melroses · 02/12/2020 19:49

Can she ask for it back? It worked for Jolyon.

PotholeParadies · 02/12/2020 20:46

He's not getting another penny from me, that's for sure.

NonCisWoman · 02/12/2020 20:54

I haven't read the full thread, but can anyone explain why Jolyon is so invested in this debated? He isn't trans from what I can see.

ArabellaScott · 02/12/2020 20:57

Not himself, no, Non.

HecatesCats · 02/12/2020 21:00

That is indeed the question Woman

PotholeParadies · 02/12/2020 21:08

I believe he has an adolescent nephew/niece/nibling who is seeking treatment.

WouldBeGood · 02/12/2020 21:10

A personal interest makes sense. Should be disclosed.

PotholeParadies · 02/12/2020 21:25

Lest we forget, last year he achieved the highly coveted Ratio of the Year Award for clubbing a fox to death while dressed in his wife's nightwear and then tweeting about it.

I don't trust his judgement on much these days.

metro.co.uk/2019/12/26/lawyer-dressed-in-kimono-clubs-fox-to-death-with-a-baseball-bat-11962912/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Biscuitsanddoombar · 02/12/2020 21:27

Just a reminder that threads discussing JM personal interest in trans issues tend to be watched zealously.....

PotholeParadies · 02/12/2020 21:34

Good point. This year, to save us from tears, may all foxes keep away from Mr Maugham's property.

1stDecember · 02/12/2020 21:38

So looking forward to the Foxing Day anniversary this year Grin

LaValliere · 02/12/2020 21:41

It’s easy - & entirely understandable- to joke about Jo clubbing a fox to death while wearing a kimono because the picture in all of our minds is so appalling & ludicrous. But I think we should all remember the reality- the terror felt by a small animal, the blood, the noises, the battering, the violence, the sustained effort needed to kill a living breathing creature. The terror most of all. Animals feel fear.

A man who clubs a defenceless animal to death is a vile, vile being. He showed what he really was that day. We should never forget it.