Kier shows his colours

[averylongtimeago]

From Facebook, I guess he has picked a side.
51% of the population just don't count.

@Eowynthewarrior

I’m fed up with this . Let’s have a domestic violence day of remembrance, a backstreet abortion day of remembrance, a death in childbirth day of remembrance a cancer day of remembrance, an autism driven to suicide remembrance , an anorexia day of remembrance. None of this remembrance seems to even be helpful to people suffering from gender dysmophia just picking a trendy cause to get on a bandwagon. Commercialising sadness in people’s lives from whatever cause Losing friends and family to cancer we used to dread all the cancer initiatives . Whilst I can see that public information on health awareness is great to make sure women check breasts, go for smears i always felt all the pink October breast stuff just rubs in it the face of those suffering. My mum said there’s no escape from cancer id just like to turn on the tv and relax not see yet another blasted advert or campaign. .

The International Day for the Elimination of Violence against Women is this week, on Nov 25th. I'm sure you've all been organising hard.

The International Day of Action for Women's Health, which focusses onreproductive rights is May 28th.

The National Pregnancy and Infant Loss Remembrance Day is October 15th

World Autism Awareness Day is 2 April

World Eating Disorders Day is June 2

Oh and to the person who mentioned Palestine, the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People is 29 November and Nakba Day which commemorates the displacement of people from Palestine is 15 May.

There are lots of day, and months, for different kinds of cancers, there's a list here: www.cancerhealth.com/page/cancer-awareness-months-days

I understand. I don't agree. That doesn't seem to be allowed here without getting a load of personal abuse. And so I cba any more. Good night.

Quaagars

Women are the ones adversely affected by Gender ideology. We think about it and talk about it

Men who "have minds of their own" have no skin in the game whatsoever, so it's all theoretical to them, and they tend to just not understand why women can't "just be more nice".
As a result GC feminists do tend to be female.

Your "how can you tell"? on this forum angle Is hilariously similar to the usual "how can you tell?" argument made by TRA for allowing males into women's spaces in general!

@longestlurkerever

I understand. I don't agree. That doesn't seem to be allowed here without getting a load of personal abuse. And so I cba any more. Good night.

Bye.

Oh God, it's the unholy Trinity posting today.

How about you, jj? You organising hard to bring awareness to VAWG? Or just thrilling to your chance to scold women, yet again, for our insufficient subservience to the true victims, men?

I've always disliked the tone of those kind of statements - always a fight.

Never persuasion through the strength of argument.
Never work to see common ground.
Never find mutually agreeable solutions.

We seen how fighting for something when diametrically opposed views come into contact works all over the world. Just look in our back door at Northern Ireland to see the 'success' of fighting for catholic/protestant rights.

Maybe in the 2020's century Labour can leave the fight behind and try talking between the different groups.

I went off him when he suspended Jeremy Corbyn, especially as he had previously supported him!

One of the only things he's done I approve of.

@nauticant

If the measure* is the rate at which trans people are murdered compared to the population in general, this supports the statement:

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-many-trans-people-murdered-uk

• and since the discussion is about a day of remembrance, that would seem to be a reasonable measure

Thats a fairly unhlepful factcheck because the figure of 200-600,000 includes any who is gender variant to some degree (in GIRES terms) and around half would be expected to be trans men. Almost all of the murders that have happened in the UK were transitioned trans women, a small subset of the larger figure.

If trans people represent 0.3% of the population, and on average one trans women is killed a year then that suggests trans women are murdered at roughly the same rate as non trans women.

@Joswis

One of the only things he's done I approve of.

Same here.

None of it matters anyway because the Labour Party is doubling down on making itself unelectable. It is less cringe-making than watching Trump implode but that's the best I can say about Labour at the moment. They have totally lost perspective and common sense on everything it seems.

I wonder which those days jj has helpfully enumerated will garner tweets from the leader of the Labour Party etc?

But these aren't about there being a trans day of remembrance which is pretty much what this discussion is about

I don't know, but maybe human rights?
Right to live your life as yourself instead of feeling you have to hide?

I was referring to this comment

The 'not in the U.K.' is somewhat relevant in the context of this thread - U.K. senior politicians talking about 'fights' without being clear what they mean. What from the POV of a U.K. politician are they fighting for exactly at this point, or who are they fighting against?

“Labour leader agrees with most of the country, and favours equality.”

Shocking stuff!

@EnjoyingTheSilence

Probably going to regret this but surely you can support the trans community and women.

I believe that it is a small minority of people that are trying cause trouble not all trans people

I agree, Trans 'activists' are a fucking nightmare, full of women haters. However, not all trans people are like this.

Any 'not like this' transperson is welcome to stand with women in the fight for women's rights. Few do.

And yet many expect our solidarity.

@Tanith

"No trans people are being killed? Really? Or are we back to if its not in the UK then it doesn't count again?"

Yesterday, Jan Morris died. I'd have expected this to have been acknowledged far more than it was. I only realised because a journalist I follow tweeted about it.
Pages and pages of "remembering our murdered trans siblings" and hate towards Rosie Duffield. Jan? Barely a mention.

Exactly....

Trans rights are human rights, but they’re not women’s rights.

@BlackWaveComing

Oh God, it's the unholy Trinity posting today.

How about you, jj? You organising hard to bring awareness to VAWG? Or just thrilling to your chance to scold women, yet again, for our insufficient subservience to the true victims, men?

No I was simply pointing out to the people saying why isn't there a day for these things that there are days for those things.

No, of course not.
Yet you are always here telling women how to organise themselves.
Can you not take a break from posting here and allow feminists to talk among themselves?

Can you not take a break from posting here and allow feminists to talk among themselves?

Think that's sort of the point of them being here. Probably best ignored.

@BlackWaveComing

No, of course not. Yet you are always here telling women how to organise themselves. Can you not take a break from posting here and allow feminists to talk among themselves?

I've made 3 posts, as a trans person, on a thread about trans rememberence day. Is that really so objectionable?

If you don't want trans people to be permitted to take part in your endless debate about trans people then I believe spinster and other forums would allow that. This is a public message board which claims to be a welcoming environment for trans parents, of which I am one.

Rhetorical question, btw. Because I know the answer is no, you won't respect that.

@BlackWaveComing

Yes, your non-feminist opinions repeatedly posted across many posts on this forum bother me and make this space less usable for me, a woman.

I don't post on trans forums, or trans rights forums. Can't you just respect this is a space where women mostly want to hear from other women?

Then why are men who agree with you never attacked this way when they post on here?

I don't think your problem is with trans people or men posting here, I think many people here have a problem with anyone who disagrees with gender critical attitudes towards trans issues posting here - which is why plenty of women are treated in a pretty similar way to the way trans people are here if they are not 100% on board with gender critical ideology.