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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Kier shows his colours

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averylongtimeago · 21/11/2020 09:50

From Facebook, I guess he has picked a side.
51% of the population just don't count.

Kier shows his colours
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midgebabe · 24/11/2020 14:51

@Quaagars

Plus if you're going to somehow find a way to gatekeep to the nice, safe and vulnerable males, then what about the vulnerable gay males? The vulnerable young males?

Why conflate trans women with gay men, and young men?
Actually no - rhetorical question as I already know the answer - they're all the same to some.

They all share the same basic characteristic of being not female whilst at greater risk of harm from other not female people
Datun · 24/11/2020 14:52

@gardenbird48

Relentless misinformation, post after post of it, and yet this is the advanced knowledge from the people who've really looked into this subject. jj

I tell my kids that if you apologise for doing something, but then carry straight on and do it again, the apology doesn't count.

See aforementioned current court case re. Ministry of Justice for carrying on with their proven to be dangerous policy.

Keeping on telling us we are wrong or lying doesn't make it true.

Yep, The court case will resume in December. Hopefully, sanity will prevail.
CuriousaboutSamphire · 24/11/2020 14:52

Except it is again semantics!

The apology was for the outcome based on not taking his previous record into account. Not for the policy that allows such decisions to be made!

Though how it can be a simple error to move anyone with previous convictions for sexual asssault into the female estate is beyond me!

jj1968 · 24/11/2020 14:52

@Whatwouldscullydo

So women do it too Other things to think about Prison officer abuse...

So tell me why any of that means males should he placed there , why rape potential is acceptable flr the trans prisoners to be placed in womens prison but not acceptable as a point to keep them in the mens.

And when would be a good time to deal with trans inclusion problems? When we have world peace?

www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/10429171.darlington-prison-worker-found-guilty-sex-crimes/

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/824691/Prison-officer-jailed-sexually-assaulting-female-inmates-HMP-Warren-Hill

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14192215

www.northumberlandgazette.co.uk/news/local-news/ex-prison-officer-admits-raping-girl-over-100-times-1-3394281

www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/9019726.sex-case-prison-boss-facing-jail/

www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/ex-prison-officer-jailed-raping-young-1399311

These are far from the only examples. Why no outrage about male screws, some of whom have been convicted of horrifying abuse? Why don't gender critical activists appear to care about women who've been sexually assaulted by male prison officers? Why are women prisoners only ever brought up as a stick to beat trans people with?

Whatwouldscullydo · 24/11/2020 14:54

There have been multiple threads ajd discussions and crowd funders abiut multiple issues.

We have in fact contributed to alot of them.

We can discuss and deal with more than one thing.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 24/11/2020 14:55

Oh Twisting... by the pool

Ladies are twisting, Oliver is twisting, peppermint is twisting, Florida, Spain and tequila are twisting. Everybody is twisting... all the facts are twisted.

FFS!

RedDogsBeg · 24/11/2020 14:55

A Prison Service Spokesman is NOT the MOJ. The MOJ are currently fighting a court case, defending their position against a female prisoner who has been directly harmed by their policy to include transwomen in the female prison estate.

When the issue of Karen White was raised in the Commons it was shut down by the Speaker:

Fortunately, a few MPs are willing to speak out. The obvious seriousness of the Karen White case persuaded more than one MP that the Commons should call a minister to explain and account for the incident.

David Davies, Tory MP for Monmouth, thus tabled an Urgent Question, a parliamentary request for the House to summon a minister to discuss the issues raised by the Karen White case, and of other transgender sex offenders in the prison estate. (Yes, there are others. There is at least one male-born rapist in a women’s prison today.)

The decision to grant a UQ and summon a minister rests with the Speaker, John Bercow. He grants a lot of UQs. That annoys ministers but pleases backbenchers. It’s probably the best aspect of his tenure as Speaker. I know he annoys a lot of people, but he’s been a good servant of the Commons, giving the legislature greater bite on the executive.

Given that, I’d have bet on him accepting a UQ on Karen White and transgender inmates. He didn’t. Mr Davies says the Speaker rejected his request. There are whispers that at least one other MP was also rebuffed.

To recap: the State put a rapist in a jail full of vulnerable women. That rapist then sexually assaulted four of those women. MPs wanted to know how that happened, and to question the ministers responsible for those events. The Speaker of the House of Commons said they could not do so.

So please do not peddle this misinformation that it was all a terrible mistake, lessons have been learnt, apologies issued, it will never happen again.

Datun · 24/11/2020 14:57

These are far from the only examples. Why no outrage about male screws, some of whom have been convicted of horrifying abuse? Why don't gender critical activists appear to care about women who've been sexually assaulted by male prison officers? Why are women prisoners only ever brought up as a stick to beat trans people with?

Tedious whataboutery. I wonder what collective term you're going to think of to describe women who won't talk about what you want them to talk about.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 24/11/2020 14:58

*Why are women prisoners only ever brought up as a stick to beat trans people with? Alternatively trans in stilettos beating a man up!

Or the many and varied other threads that populate FWR and AIBU? You mean that outrage, those discusssions?

Are we to take from your post that you expect us to rehash every other thread made on this topic prior to passing new comment?

Every thread is a new day, no days before exist? Crikey! It's Groundhog Day enough as it is!

OldCrone · 24/11/2020 14:58

Why no outrage about male screws, some of whom have been convicted of horrifying abuse? Why don't gender critical activists appear to care about women who've been sexually assaulted by male prison officers?

Start a thread about that. You might find us agreeing with you for once. But please stop derailing this one.

Quaagars · 24/11/2020 14:58

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Oh Twisting... by the pool

Ladies are twisting, Oliver is twisting, peppermint is twisting, Florida, Spain and tequila are twisting. Everybody is twisting... all the facts are twisted.

FFS!

Confused Sorry, what? Grin

People are just posting a different view.
Why go off about Oliver, peppermints and Florida (a Florida twist? Not heard of that) (and now I want a tequila goddamit and I don't even like tequila lol)

CuriousaboutSamphire · 24/11/2020 15:00

Ah! Sense of humour not allowed. Do not derail unless Q understands the reference!

Got it. Message understood!

Aesopfable · 24/11/2020 15:00

Is trans inclusion the biggest concern female prisoners have?

So we should only listen to their ‘biggest concerns’? I am sure being raped was the biggest concern of the victim of Karen White. I am sure being housed in a mixed sex prison with the majority of inmates being male and half being sex offenders including being locked up in the same cell as them ‘23 hours a day’ would be their biggest concern if we follow this policy to its conclusion.

RedDogsBeg · 24/11/2020 15:01

These are far from the only examples. Why no outrage about male screws, some of whom have been convicted of horrifying abuse? Why don't gender critical activists appear to care about women who've been sexually assaulted by male prison officers? Why are women prisoners only ever brought up as a stick to beat trans people with?

I am outraged, I do care and I've done various things to bring it out in the open, prevent it and stop it. I bet I've done far more than you ever have for female prisoners jj.

Quaagars · 24/11/2020 15:05

Ah! Sense of humour not allowed

Just saying it was a bit of a WTF post , and anyways no humour's not allowed as if anyone else posts a lighthearted post or a lol at the end of it to show lightheartedness, get told off and it's also imbecilic.
Apparently.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 24/11/2020 15:10

[Sigh]

Mummyoflittledragon · 24/11/2020 15:24

Or perhaps we should be talking about the school run and knitting? Peppa pig anyone? 🙄

CuriousaboutSamphire · 24/11/2020 15:27

I have a lovely cake recipe...... Grin

midgebabe · 24/11/2020 15:30

How could you possibly think of cake when world peace hasn't been established

Oh..hang on....we are allowed to think of cake , it's only women's rights we have to ignore as being small in the bigger picture

Mummyoflittledragon · 24/11/2020 15:34

Exactly. Dd made cheesecake at school yesterday.

I am now getting fatter and fatter, it is going to be more and more difficult to erase me...

yourhairiswinterfire · 24/11/2020 15:45

Why no outrage about male screws, some of whom have been convicted of horrifying abuse?

Oh, are we allowed to do that now are we?

See a while back, there was a thread full of women sharing their harrowing stories of abuse they received from males working in mental health hospitals, doctors, etc, and the whole thread got pulled because women aren't allowed to talk of the dangers of allowing males, however qualified and no matter the checks they've had, to be around vulnerable women.

Duckwit · 24/11/2020 15:49

So Karen White ended up in a women's prison because he had been assessed on a case by case basis.

So the way to stop the same thing happening again is.... To assess criminals on a case by case basis? Confused

Duckwit · 24/11/2020 15:52

Why conflate trans women with gay men, and young men?
Actually no - rhetorical question as I already know the answer - they're all the same to some.

Nice try, I am almost see the faux eye rolling and hear the sighing.

Yes, transwomen are men. So what?

Whatwouldscullydo · 24/11/2020 15:57

I love how it goes from its most people are inclusive to , if it happens there's mot enough of it happening anyway to worry about , to there are other things tp focus on even if it is happening and then back to some arbitrary number that's never actually given as to what constitutes a problem...

Of its so trivial then why are they even doing it on the first place its equally no big deal to stay at the mens surly ? I mean anything that happens is dealt with and there aren't that many trans prisoners to worry about...

jj1968 · 24/11/2020 15:58

@Duckwit

So Karen White ended up in a women's prison because he had been assessed on a case by case basis.

So the way to stop the same thing happening again is.... To assess criminals on a case by case basis? Confused

I hate to break it to you but they actually let former violent offenders out of prison completely on a case by case basis.
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