Why GC feminists shouldn’t trust US conservatives

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www.rightwingwatch.org/post/rick-wiles-calls-on-pennsylvanians-to-rise-up-and-chase-transgender-health-secretary-out-of-the-state/

The Pennsylvania health secretary who is trans has introduced a mask mandate. The response of this right wing news site is this.

“Chase that freak out of the state,” Wiles bellowed. “Chase it out of the state. Rise up in Pennsylvania, and chase that freak out of the state! You don’t have to tolerate this stuff.”

This “news organisation” has been invited to Trump’s White House multiple times.

raskin.house.gov/media/press-releases/24-representatives-demand-white-house-deny-trunews-press-credentials

Just a few weeks ago, Rick Wiles asked his guest whether the “transgender movement gets its origin in Zionism."

I know many GC MNers try to apply British views to America and say they’d back Republicans because of the trans issue. I think many are unaware or naive about how much more regressive the right wing is in general and how their anti trans positions often go hand in hand with racism, anti-Semitism, anti-science conspiracy theories, etc.

@fatblackcatspaw

Yes its batshit.. because I have spent many weekends in close proximity to my sister in law and her parents who are tories... that does not make me a tory. I asked to watch Leni Reifenstal's Triumph of the Will when I was studying documentary at university - it did not make me a Nazi. You do not magically inbibe quallities from others by one's proximity. Harry's court case is of enormous significance for free speech in this country. PERIOD.

About the only thing Harry's court case is likely to achieve is smashing up safeguarding policies.

And he is not watching a film or spending Christmas with a Tory. He is giving active support to a far right organisation, and not for the first time. An organisation that would destroy women's right and LGB rights if they could with links, via Tommy Robinson, to far right violence. Yet instead of condemning him for this association your instinct is to act as an apologist for him. Anything to own the trans eh. And that's why people accuse the gender critical movement of links to the conservative, religious and far right.

Fair play @Butterer I'm glad there are some people left with the integrity to speak against this.

'smashing up safeguarding policies' HOW HOW???

@fatblackcatspaw

'smashing up safeguarding policies' HOW HOW???

I discussed this on the other thread about the second Fair Cop court case, it's probably best not to derail this thread about it. In summary, the police have long been able to hold non crime information on people, whether it's called a hate incident or not. And if it is deemed important from a safeguarding perspective then in very limited cases the police can pass that information onto a potential employer. Harry's case threatens that.

it's probably best not to derail this thread

Just taking a moment to appreciate this comment.

me too... has JJ been taking DRUGS??? Can I request mods that we have a clean discussion thread without any pharmaceutical enhancements of cognitative thinking

@HecatesCats

it's probably best not to derail this thread

Just taking a moment to appreciate this comment.

You’re very au fait with what Tommy Robinson gets up to JJ. Not the first time you’ve shoehorned him into a conversation.

You will keep failing to understand that while gender critical feminism and free speech issues have common ground on this topic, they aren’t the same thing, and not everyone who meets on the common ground stays on the common ground. Harry isn’t coming at this from feminism, so for Pete’s sake will you stop lecturing us as if we’re accountable for everything he does?

@SophocIestheFox

You’re very au fait with what Tommy Robinson gets up to JJ. Not the first time you’ve shoehorned him into a conversation.

You will keep failing to understand that while gender critical feminism and free speech issues have common ground on this topic, they aren’t the same thing, and not everyone who meets on the common ground stays on the common ground. Harry isn’t coming at this from feminism, so for Pete’s sake will you stop lecturing us as if we’re accountable for everything he does?

So do you condemn him for this association with the far right?

Mate, I’m not the one keeping up with Tommy Robinson’s appearances 😂

@SophocIestheFox

You’re very au fait with what Tommy Robinson gets up to JJ. Not the first time you’ve shoehorned him into a conversation.

You will keep failing to understand that while gender critical feminism and free speech issues have common ground on this topic, they aren’t the same thing, and not everyone who meets on the common ground stays on the common ground. Harry isn’t coming at this from feminism, so for Pete’s sake will you stop lecturing us as if we’re accountable for everything he does?

Harry is an independent human not our child we are not responsible for him and what he does. Its no use running up to us as if we were playground mummies telling us what he's been up to or supposedly up to. i. Don't, Care. I care about the outcome of the case and I donated because it has impacts for US as GC feminists.

@SophocIestheFox

Mate, I’m not the one keeping up with Tommy Robinson’s appearances 😂

I'll take it thats a no.

Strange that you think its unusual that someone concerned with the growth of the far right might take an interest in what far right figures are up to.

*which if you're interested is in some cases trying to hijack the gender critical movement and turn it into a broader anti LGBT movement.

@SophocIestheFox

You’re very au fait with what Tommy Robinson gets up to JJ. Not the first time you’ve shoehorned him into a conversation.

You will keep failing to understand that while gender critical feminism and free speech issues have common ground on this topic, they aren’t the same thing, and not everyone who meets on the common ground stays on the common ground. Harry isn’t coming at this from feminism, so for Pete’s sake will you stop lecturing us as if we’re accountable for everything he does?

Repeating this excellent comment for the hard of thinking.

I have no idea what your special interests are, JJ, much as you have no idea what my politics are.

I’m a feminist. My interest in this topic is woman centred. You don’t get that, you never will, and your silly little insinuations that this makes me right wing are risible. But please, do go on. You’re making such an impact here, really you are

@SophocIestheFox

I have no idea what your special interests are, JJ, much as you have no idea what my politics are.

I’m a feminist. My interest in this topic is woman centred. You don’t get that, you never will, and your silly little insinuations that this makes me right wing are risible. But please, do go on. You’re making such an impact here, really you are

I'm not claiming you are right wing. I'm asking if you condemn a prominent gender critical figure for his active association with a far right and anti feminist organisation?

I'm surprised you find that so difficult. If a prominent trans activist joined an event organised by the far right I would not hesitate in denouncing them as loudly as possible.

Fair Cop is a group of individuals who have come together over shared concerns about police attempts to criminalise people for expressing opinions that don’t contravene any laws.
www.faircop.org.uk/about/

[quote Thelnebriati]Fair Cop is a group of individuals who have come together over shared concerns about police attempts to criminalise people for expressing opinions that don’t contravene any laws.
www.faircop.org.uk/about/[/quote]
And they have enjoyed a significant amount of both support and funding from gender critical feminists. Surely you must feel betrayed to now see one of them actively participating with an event promoting horrifying misogynists like Carl Benjamin. Almost as if Harry has just used feminists to raise his profile and pay for his court case before revealing his true colours. Of course given he had previously donated money to Tommy Robinson this should perhaps have been more evident from the start.

Do you demand all Muslims denounce acts of violence by Muslims?

Do you demand trans people denounce murders and sex offences by trans people?

Fairly sure Harry Miller is not a GC feminist. Nor a feminist at all come to think of it, I thought his issue was with ridiculous 'non crimes' being recorded and free speech issues? Didn't know he transformed into a radfem!

Do you demand trans people denounce murders and sex offences by trans people?

Well some people on here certainly do but no I don't. Harry has been given money and heavily promoted by GC feminists. I would expect a trans person who erroneously gave money and support to a group or individual that then turned out to support hostility against LGBT people to condemn them. I just think that's having some basic political integrity.

This is a interesting new tactic all the same. DENOUNCE THIS MAN EVERYONE!

I mean, personally I wouldn't(in a million years) do what Harry is doing and would want fuck all to do with the people he is doing it with. What difference this makes to anything though, I don't know, and I know even less why who Harry associates with..is being basically blamed on feminists, funy old world.

This reminds me of the many many thrads we used to get with TRAs imploring us all to denounce Posie, for this reason or another. Its just quite weird to me really

Its purity politics again really to me. Agreeing wih Harry and supporting his fundraising efforts, as I agree with the cause he is fighting, does not mean I have to agree with everything he says, everything he has ever said, and so on. Also, I cannot expect him to even care about my opinions, just because I sent a bit of cash to his case? I don't own people who I donate to, in any way. Nor should I.

Am I 'disappointed', meh a little maybe? But thats MY issue. And despite me supporting him on other stuff, it really really does not mean I will forever support everything he does, I mean, I might have totally polar opposite opinions to him on everything else, but that still doesn't make the slightest bit of difference to me. I donated for the case, it happened to be Harry on the recieving end of the shody police treatment, yes, but I would have donated to anyone in the same situation tbh, had I the means at the time. I am grateful to Harry for putting himself out there and spreading the word to a bunch of people who would never in a million years have listened if it WAS a feminist talking about the issue. I would not do what he is doing. But, I am not him, nor do I/should I have any control over him, and blaming GC feminists for the actions of a man who is not even a GC feminist is bonkers IMO.

@jj1968

I think this is probably relevant to this thread. Harry Miller is appearing at an alt-right conference this weekend alongside Anne_Marie Evans and Carl Benjamin organised by a group which includes Tommy Robinson and Men's Rights Activist Matt O'Connor. It seems the links between the gender critical movement and the far right are growing ever closer.

This board is very leftie. Who are you trying to convince here? You think a load of middle aged women who have been left wing for decades will decide ah well if that person X spoke in the same place as hard right person Y then person X must be hard right? By that logic you are GC jj because you've been on the same platform as Datun and even, debated with her!