Why GC feminists shouldn’t trust US conservatives

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www.rightwingwatch.org/post/rick-wiles-calls-on-pennsylvanians-to-rise-up-and-chase-transgender-health-secretary-out-of-the-state/

The Pennsylvania health secretary who is trans has introduced a mask mandate. The response of this right wing news site is this.

“Chase that freak out of the state,” Wiles bellowed. “Chase it out of the state. Rise up in Pennsylvania, and chase that freak out of the state! You don’t have to tolerate this stuff.”

This “news organisation” has been invited to Trump’s White House multiple times.

raskin.house.gov/media/press-releases/24-representatives-demand-white-house-deny-trunews-press-credentials

Just a few weeks ago, Rick Wiles asked his guest whether the “transgender movement gets its origin in Zionism."

I know many GC MNers try to apply British views to America and say they’d back Republicans because of the trans issue. I think many are unaware or naive about how much more regressive the right wing is in general and how their anti trans positions often go hand in hand with racism, anti-Semitism, anti-science conspiracy theories, etc.

The GC/American Right alignment nonsense is just another squirrel. Look over there 🐿

This ^^^^

*at least two posters

The parties are not equally dangerous to women, minorities, etc. So because one shares your public position on trans - and I can assure you their private position is much closer to what I posted in the OP based on my experience with American churches - doesn’t mean you should entertain it as a serious option for GC feminists.

Yeah, we know.

No one is ‘entertaining American churches as a serious option for GC feminists’ tho?

I wish we could post gifs on Mumsnet:

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It's a good point that there's a culture gap between Britain and America that we might not be aware of. It can divide the left as well. In a GC Facebook group I belong to, some posters kept complaining about racism. When asked for examples, the one they gave was posters objecting to the 'Karen' insult. To them, 'Karen' purely means a racist woman. But outside America - very often within America, now - it's a demeaning term for any assertive woman or girl.

I read about it in the Independent so I’m informed enough.

😂😂😂

Aw c’mon! You’re making your trolling a little too obvious now!

And apologies for the “wrongthink”

You’ve missed the point completely.

That post referred to YOU being the one to come on here and castigate us for our “wrongthink”, you muppet.

You’re Big Brother. Not Winston.

I know many GC MNers try to apply British views to America and say they’d back Republicans

………. I haven't noticed that, I have to say. If it's any reassurance, I'm British however, without a US vote, so I don't think anyone needs to mind much about who I'd potentially back. It's also a bit of a stretch to assume that considering who I might potentially vote for in a country I don't live in and don't have a vote in takes up much of my time and headspace.

I got to picture 30 and instantly thought "House from Beetlejuice owned by Norman Bates".

It's so bloody boring being told who we should believe, or listen to, or which other websites we should boycott or never mention, how ignorant we all are of the 'reality' of the motives of others, how everyone will think we're meanies if we watch a certain video, or read an article in an unapproved journal and blah blah blah.

Anyone would think we aren't fully mature human beings in our own right, completely capable of forming an opinion. It's a wonder they allow us to vote.

Just fuck off.

Have only skliffed over the thread (OP and first few responses) and that has prompted me to bring this GIF up (again).

There is overlap between everyone. But as can be seen from the diagram, there is more non-overlap. This seems so obvious - that you can agree on one thing, and disagree on everything else. Pretending otherwise is childish. And probably disingenuous and trying-to-be-manipulative-but-failing too.

It must be horrendous living in America right now if you believe the right, Republicans, conservatives and church goers are all tainted and not to be trusted. That’s most of your fellow citizens surely?

It is better to try and be tolerant of other political and religious groups and build bridges with them, not treat them as inferiors.

@NotBadConsidering That's a good one. You could actually clearly show how those things are ow regularly adopted by the British Left, although I don't know enough about Labour to comment on anti-Semitism.

There are a lot of posts here that aren’t acknowledging there’s a bit of ignorance and laziness due to distance - well it’s not my country but they speak my language and I read about it in the Independent so I’m informed enough. You’re not

Wow. Who's still reading the Independent?? They went down the pan years ago when they went online. From what I remember of the time (before I eventually stopped reading it), there were so many spelling errors, poorly written articles that sounded as if they were written by teenagers, many trashy & tacky click-bait style articles and a surprising amount of articles focusing on degenerate or violent women (a certain type of man enjoys reading about these women because they like to think there's some kind of parity between male & female behaviour and violence when there clearly isn't). Even though these type of men pop up in the Guardian comments too, there were definitely more of them in the Independent comment sections. I stopped reading years ago because of all of this, and now I've read they are are on the trans train too, and regularly publish utterly ridiculous, science denying nonsense, I won't be going back. I'm sure misogynist woke bros are loving it though.

Remember everyone, sex isn't finite or binary......until men need sex or women for reproduction. Then it's VERY binary.

Funny that!

At the same time, I recognise that people will always vote for what directly benefits them
Like Caitlyn Jenner? A long-term supporter of the Republicans. Admits voting for Trump in 2016 then 'revokes' support some time later over bathroom use row. So, didn't give two hoots about his vile racism, disgusting language he used toward immigrants, inhumane policies towards them, or his misogyny, or the horrendous allegations women have made against him. I take it Jenner was on board with all that.

If agreeing with your opponents opinion on one single thing means you are 'aligning' with them does that mean transgender activists are aligning with the right in the UK? Since it was the Tory's idea to bring self id in?
I've seen a couple of people hint at what you suggest OP (not on mumsnet) but to say 'many gc feminists on MN would back Trump because of trans issues' I don't think is true. I've not seen that

by the way those comments from this Rick Wiles are repellent

@HecatesCats

Is that you jj? Because this all feels really familiar.

No of course its not me, I only post under this name.

They are right though, UK GC activists have collaborated with groups like WOLF, the Heritage Foundation and hands Across the Aisle. And it's not just in the states. Transgender Trend, Posie Parker and Harry Miller have all appeared in a video produced by a shockingly antisemitic website. The much lauded Baroness is outspokenly anti gay marriage. GC activists have worked with the right of the Tory Party including anti-abortion advocates like David Davies. Even Liz Truss is pretty far to the right economically and on her attitude to workplace rights and things like pay gap reporting. And frequently misogynist men considerably further to the right than much of the Tory Party like Douglas Murray, Jordan Peterson, Brendan O Neil, Toby Young and Roy Liddle have all been applauded for their articles and thoughts on trans people. A lot of the language used by GC people, the obsession with wokeness and blue haired millenials comes from the alt right and we're increaingly seeing other alt right talking point like nonsense about critical race theory being slipped into discussions. Whilst I would not agree at all that everyone involved in the GC movement supports this it's pretty undeniable that there are strong links between a lot of GC people to the conservative right, religious right, alt right and even in some cases far right. Something could have possibly been done about that in the early days but it's too late now and as more and more moderates peel away it's only likely to get worse.

Same old, same old

Baroness Nicholson voted against gay marriage in 2003, when it passed, and has not subsequently opposed it. Is is a lie to say that she is "outspokenly anti gay marriage".

Basically a lesbian with "outspoken" views on gay marriage is fine, but a straight (apologies to Baroness N if I'm incorrect) woman expressing this opinions is not ok. Especially if they are on the political right

Do you not think there is a difference between a straight person opposed to gay marriage on ideological grounds and a lesbian questioning why other lesbians might want to get married?

@17thEarlOfOxford

Baroness Nicholson voted against gay marriage in 2003, when it passed, and has not subsequently opposed it. Is is a lie to say that she is "outspokenly anti gay marriage".

She claimed earlier this year that she voted against gay marriage because she believed it would degrade women and that she thinks that is now happening.

Oh look - here's jj - and as usual, criticising women. Never misses an opportunity