Why GC feminists shouldn’t trust US conservatives

[turnitonagain]

www.rightwingwatch.org/post/rick-wiles-calls-on-pennsylvanians-to-rise-up-and-chase-transgender-health-secretary-out-of-the-state/

The Pennsylvania health secretary who is trans has introduced a mask mandate. The response of this right wing news site is this.

“Chase that freak out of the state,” Wiles bellowed. “Chase it out of the state. Rise up in Pennsylvania, and chase that freak out of the state! You don’t have to tolerate this stuff.”

This “news organisation” has been invited to Trump’s White House multiple times.

raskin.house.gov/media/press-releases/24-representatives-demand-white-house-deny-trunews-press-credentials

Just a few weeks ago, Rick Wiles asked his guest whether the “transgender movement gets its origin in Zionism."

I know many GC MNers try to apply British views to America and say they’d back Republicans because of the trans issue. I think many are unaware or naive about how much more regressive the right wing is in general and how their anti trans positions often go hand in hand with racism, anti-Semitism, anti-science conspiracy theories, etc.

@persistentwoman

Oh look - here's jj - and as usual, criticising women. Never misses an opportunity

Yeah, that’s this thread gone for a burton now. It’ll divert into the usual disquisition on Why You’re All Wrong About Everything, You Poopyheads, and many pixels will be spent on rambling meanders away from the point, and baseless accusations of general witchcraft and uppitiness.

Baroness Nicholson voted against gay marriage in 2003

She was a Lib Dem at the time, wasn't she? So I'm not sure what relevance that has to whether GC feminists are in any way aligned with US conservatives.

(It doesn't, and they aren't)

@persistentwoman

Oh look - here's jj - and as usual, criticising women. Never misses an opportunity

I wonder if there's just four or five posts ready to paste in rotation on every thread? Certainly get that impression.

@persistentwoman

Oh look - here's jj - and as usual, criticising women. Never misses an opportunity

No not criticising women, criticising the very small number of people in the gender critical movement, not all of them women, who have collaborated with the conservative right.

You do understand the difference don't you in criticising someone for their views and criticising someone because of the sex they belong to?

Here we go again, a whole bag of straw men: tiny bunch of nobodies, but aligned with US Republicans & evangelicals , conservative homophobes, bigots, etc etc etc etc if there's only a handful of GC women causing a nuisance, why are you on here every other day trying to convince us of wrong think?

Anyway I didn't mean to send out a bat signal, signing off from this one.

Jeremy Corbyn famously announced his pronouns at the start of a speech. Jeremy Corbyn was suspended by the Labour party for anti-Semitism. Ergo, anyone who announces their pronouns is aligning themselves with the Labour party’s anti-Semitism.

Or something something.

I'm a US citizen that lived in the UK for 14 years. I don't know what happened to my country. All of my friends and family are filled with hate. They hate Republicans. They think Republicans are evil Nazi murderers. If I even suggest that there aren't 70 million racists they act like I've just said that the sky is red. They haven't heard another point of view for years. The New York Times, The Washington Post. It's a steady steam of propaganda. They think that right wing terrorism is a huge danger. One of my friends had her art gallery burned down by left wing protesters but she can't see the problem. Beautiful paintings were destroyed but she thinks it was a good thing.

@Betheanne

I'm a US citizen that lived in the UK for 14 years. I don't know what happened to my country. All of my friends and family are filled with hate. They hate Republicans. They think Republicans are evil Nazi murderers. If I even suggest that there aren't 70 million racists they act like I've just said that the sky is red. They haven't heard another point of view for years. The New York Times, The Washington Post. It's a steady steam of propaganda. They think that right wing terrorism is a huge danger. One of my friends had her art gallery burned down by left wing protesters but she can't see the problem. Beautiful paintings were destroyed but she thinks it was a good thing.

It's totally ridiculous, isn't it? The great irony is the left truly believes it is the party of compassion and tolerance when in my experience it's exactly the opposite. Compassion and tolerance unless you aren't a Democrat. Compassion and tolerance unless you believe in women's rights and don't believe gender ideology.

I recently watched the miniseries Chernobyl and it was a great reminder of why anyone who wants a remotely safe and decent world to live in should be very wary of the authoritarian left.

Highly recommend the series, btw.

And I loved this line:

Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth.

That is scary, Betheanne.

Has anyone ever suggested you lot are paranoid? I make a post and it’s

• are you “jj” ? (Never heard of her before)
• have you been mulling this post for month (no)
• are you saying all GC fems are right wingers (not even close)

People who have different opinions aren’t all out to get you.

@Betheanne I distinguish between voters and leadership. The leadership of the GOP is too friendly with right wing Christian conspiracy theorists, qanon followers, white male militias etc for it to be ignored. The few good ideas they might have on issues here or there do not negate those things for many people.

americanprinciplesproject.org/about/

This is a Republican think tank that was working to make trans a wedge issue in the 2020 election. It may have worked as many down ballot republicans got elected. But look at their other principles

• life begins at conception
• marriage is only one man one woman
• religion should be practiced in the public square

Oh and there’s this - NYTimes behind paywall

Last week, a political action committee called the American Principles Project unveiled a new video on Twitter falsely claiming that Democratic presidential nominee Joseph R. Biden Jr. supported sex changes for 8-year-olds. Twisting the meaning of Mr. Biden’s statements during a recent “town hall” event — which condemned discrimination against children who identify as transgender but did not address sex changes — the campaign was a high-profile example of increasingly widespread efforts to distribute disinformation through text messages.

apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9582957367

My incredibly intelligent father just emailed me that there is a coup happening as we speak. I don't believe it. Trump has filed 30 lawsuits and 29 have been intantly dismissed. If someone tried to become a permanent president the Americans would shoot that person within a couple of days with the guns that the constitution allows for killing tyrants. Trump will walk out of the White House and Biden will walk in.

turnitonagain

I really don’t understand what your posts are trying to prove. So you’ve posted examples of batshit craziness from the American right. We all know it’s batshit we can all see it’s batshit. What’s it meant to prove?

Anyone could just as easily post examples of batshit from the American or British left. Examples of how people think humans can change sex, how they think there’s more than two sexes, a complete misunderstanding of intersex, a belief that people should be silenced for wrong think. What would that prove about the Democrat leadership?

You seem very muddled as to what you’re trying to get out of this thread .

Just read the op and the rest of their posts.

Very peculiar.

So based on a couple of posts on a thread in September who could have been posted by anyone (this is an open board)

All the British women on here have to be told off about something to do with right wing types in the USA?

I'll read back a bit now but that seems like a pretty random premise for a thread.

Anyone who believes American politics and issues are comparable with British politics and issues hasn't lived in the US.
It's a huge country (you can get 3 Britains + a bit in the state of Texas alone).
It has different laws.
Many of the adult population have guns.
Compare our politics to a country like Germany or France if you want to make political comparisons.

We do seem to have USA posters when we didn't used to.

I would point out that although we share a language, we are a long way apart both geographically and culturally. Politically. Everything.

It strikes me very odd and somewhat overbearing.

Xposts.

Not caught up with thread but assume that comment was aimed at the op.

@NiceGerbil

We do seem to have USA posters when we didn't used to.

I would point out that although we share a language, we are a long way apart both geographically and culturally. Politically. Everything.

It strikes me very odd and somewhat overbearing.

I have been around 2012 (not under this screen name, but the screen name before then I deleted it because I wanted to break the habit)

@NotBadConsidering

Again - the “batshit” groups I’m posting are welcomed and even endorsed the Republican Party. They’re not fringe weirdos as far as American politics goes.

They’re trying to use concerns about trans in sports etc to get politicians in who want to take away healthcare, family planning, and abortion rights.

UK GC feminists don’t have to worry about this. It’s a different battleground in America.

@NiceGerbil

We do seem to have USA posters when we didn't used to.

I would point out that although we share a language, we are a long way apart both geographically and culturally. Politically. Everything.

It strikes me very odd and somewhat overbearing.

Anyone who can read English can read MN. It’s probably one of the biggest GC conversations on the internet. So not understanding other country’s contexts can actually have an influence if there is a global audience.

[quote turnitonagain]@NotBadConsidering

Again - the “batshit” groups I’m posting are welcomed and even endorsed the Republican Party. They’re not fringe weirdos as far as American politics goes.

They’re trying to use concerns about trans in sports etc to get politicians in who want to take away healthcare, family planning, and abortion rights.

UK GC feminists don’t have to worry about this. It’s a different battleground in America.[/quote]
And plenty of people acknowledge that a vote for one thing means a vote for other things, but that doesn’t mean an endorsement does it? And it’s the same everywhere. A vote for the Tories in the UK might protect women’s rights more than a vote for Labour but would see worsening social policy for example. But a vote for Labour would be a vote for a party that openly despises and wants to shut up women, even its own elected Members. Same in Australia.

You seem to think that because voters are stuck between a rock and a hard place and in particular women are politically homeless in many regards is the fault of women, particular women here.

In fact, it’s the fault of both the left and the right in many countries who openly despise women and women’s rights leaving people stuck as to who to vote for and who to support.

But again, I’ll reiterate, just because I or anyone else agrees with someone on one thing it does not mean I endorse everything. That’s such a woke student line of thinking that many young people in particular just can’t seem to get their heads around.

male person in a homeless shelter, >> shelters are usually a private organization and usually run by Christian charities, they don't support this type of sharing

there are women who want to play men sport. VMI in Virginia is a case where women took over men's space and so now they have to be a military for both men and women.

we do need to work on longer maternity leave but Democrats usually support this kind thing