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Call for Applications: Consultancy on UK Radical Anti-Gender Organizing | GATE
gate.ngo/anti-gender-uk-consultancy

The main goal of this consultancy is to increase international awareness on current challenges posed by radical anti-gender movements to trans people’s human rights in the United Kingdom. Its objectives include:

Mapping radical anti-gender movements in the UK.
Identifying key radical anti-gender approaches to trans issues in the UK.
Analyzing the real and potential impact of radical anti-gender organizing on trans people’s human rights in the UK.
Identifying key entry points for international solidarity.
Scope of Work and Deliverables
The consultant will:

Engage with GATE’s team on anti-gender organizing.
Produce an expert and accessible paper on radical anti-gender organizing against trans people in the UK.

Maya's thread on Twitter deals with funding of this org and it's origins.
twitter.com/MForstater/status/1322679833411944449?s=09

But why not Chinese or Japanese then?

Helen Lewis's article on America's culture wars seems relevant here:
www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/10/internet-world-trapped-americas-culture-war/616799/

I fit the description of Boudicca, does that count me in as indigenous.

Maybe we should all contact them and ask. piss them right off

Just the fact that they're calling us anti-gender says it all!

Yes, I'm anti gender, I feel it's an outmoded social construct best left in the 1950s. So what?!

Most people of north-west European ancestry are a mix of the same tribes/peoples in different proportions.
Apparently, I share some dna with Cheddar Man which takes me very far back. Also have a good chunk of Neanderthal dna so I can tick the indigenous box quite happily.

I know RuffleCrow, I'm old enough to remember when being anti-gender was considered de riguer for a feminist, rather than being thrown around as some kind of euphamistic insult

feminists are by definition anti gender you nitwits!

When they find out all the orgs are crowd funded by ordinary U.K. women (and a few men) will they actually publish that or just make shit up to keep their grift going?

I had to think for, ooh, about 1.5 seconds about that. Actually, no I didn't. Judging from their usual tactics, I think we all know the answer!

@SuperLoudPoppingAction

Indigenous seems to be the new trendy word that has replaced 'diasporic'- both generally used out of context in a way that makes my teeth itch.

I miss the diaspora.

Also.
Well, there’s the roads...

When I saw the thread title I assumed it was the Morgane Oger one where they were advertising for people with hacking (I mean programming) knowledge to do the same thing with social media tracking.
Think Morgane has been a bit busy losing votes to follow up though. I’d love to know how the recruiting went.

One of the requirements for the applicant is :
Full commitment to trans people’s human rights
So no chance of an unbiased report then.
What's the betting Mumsnet radicalisation portal will feature quite heavily in the research.

Just when I think I can hold no more contempt for this disgusting country and its leaders they give me reason to find more.
You have missed the point that it's an American organisation recruiting in New York then?

I'm old enough to remember when being anti-gender was considered de riguer for a feminist, rather than being thrown around as some kind of euphamistic insult

feminists are by definition anti gender you nitwits!

Yeah, me too.

And I'm pretty indigenous - coat of arms from around the 1500s (although that probably means we're those bastard French invaders), and there's some Welsh in there as well - one of my Welsh great-great-uncles was the 7th son of the 7th son ...

We should all apply as a job share.

Full commitment to trans people’s human rights

I'm committed to everyone's human rights. I just don't think they include scaring women out of their own toilets, performing smear tests on unwilling women, or forcing your children to call you mum when you are in fact their dad.

@GoudaGirl

I am 3% Neanderthal according to my DNA analysis- does that count as ethnic?? Also a Viking sister at 12%. Does that count?? Can I be indigenous twice and have 2 goes? Love to know what indigenous means as the 'UK' is a recent development in really historical terms assuming they technically mean post ice age when the sea levels rose to form the geographical landmass they allude to! If so anything goes!

Which DNA analysis did you use? Im thinking about this as a christmas present. Looking for recommendations.

Yes, I'm anti gender, I feel it's an outmoded social construct best left in the 1950s. So what?!

And why would you need to pay somebody to work that out?

It would be a step forward if they were genuinely interested in understanding UK equality legislation. However, given that they haven't noticed that 'indigenous' has different connotations in Europe, that seems unlikely.

[quote DreadPirateLuna]Helen Lewis's article on America's culture wars seems relevant here:
www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/10/internet-world-trapped-americas-culture-war/616799/[/quote]
She’s spot on and the Adele thing bothered me a lot. Americans don’t get to tell the entire world how to react. Black Brits and Jamaicans defended her but of course it’s only the Americans whose voices matter.

coat of arms from around the 1500s (although that probably means we're those bastard French invaders),

Bloody Frogs, coming over here and nicking our nice Viking country what as how we'd nicked from the Celts who'd nicked it from the...

Well, on my mother's side we are Viking-Huguenot, as well as Welsh.

Let's face it, if you're "indigenous" English, you're a bastard mix of all the invaders ever ... But I do know my family can trace its property & name back about 5 centuries in England. Which is more than we can say about those Saxe-Gotha incomers

I'm sure actually that many boards on MN will be helpful in selectively finding evidence to prove the stated end point. The relationships board for example should link to several highly teed off poor male people who have suffered horribly at the hands on MN and would be delighted to complain at length. Mostly about how awful it was that their partner was able to talk to other females and get help and advice on how to escape because unbelievably and unreasonably she didn't want to be abused and beaten up by him any more.

Many such males get furious about women getting together and telling each other things, supporting each other to be stroppy and get ideas above their station like the idea that a relationship should be mutually respectful and satisfying, and finding out about things like their rights under law and getting the strength to say no... so many things some males can find really, really find inconvenient to their personal agendas.

I'm sure those males would find it a great idea that there should be some international liaison on how to stop these ruddy women talking to each other and wanting to protect their rights.

Because the 'actions' being complained about here, the 'threat' being identified, is that women pointing out their rights under law through legal channels threatens the potential of a political lobby successfully erasing them. And ought to be stopped .

However, given that they haven't noticed that 'indigenous' has different connotations in Europe

Yes someone should tell them that they are entering white supremacist / far right territory here. Although I'm pretty certain the BNP will know exactly what a woman is.

She’s spot on and the Adele thing bothered me a lot. Americans don’t get to tell the entire world how to react. Black Brits and Jamaicans defended her but of course it’s only the Americans whose voices matter

They can get so angry over a white woman appropriating an African hairstyle. But they celebrate men appropriating women’s identity.

Because the 'actions' being complained about here, the 'threat' being identified, is that women pointing out their rights under law through legal channels threatens the potential of a political lobby successfully erasing them. And ought to be stopped

Top post @MichelleofzeResistance As usual!

@Aesopfable

But why not Chinese or Japanese then?

Apologies if I misunderstood this comment, but I think most in the UK would refer to Chinese and Japanese as East Asian. Mainly though I find I think of my neighbours as Thai, my friend from baby group as Chinese, university friends as Japanese.

Because we have a much larger number of people with origins in the Indian subcontinent for us in the UK that is what we think of as Asian. It always throws me for a moment in television programmes and films from the US when Asians are mentioned and then there is someone from China or Korea or Japan.

Indigenous as others have said is so utterly tone- deaf in a UK sense.

You very occasionally hear the hard lunatic fringe of Scottish separatists drivelling on about the "indigenous Scottish people" but it's nonsense.

And what's Latin x in a UK context? Presumably in the US that's Latin American origin in which case, no disrespect to UK residents of Latin American origin but as a demographic you barely, if at all register.

Latin in a UK sense would be the Italian community whom I've never heard express any indication that they are oppressed or different from any other majority group in the UK.

And what's Latin x in a UK context?

Year 10 timetable slot in a posh school?

Daisies I simply meant even if they take Asian to mean Chinese and Japanese then why haven’t they included these? (And Indian subcontinent and Arab)