Tampax getting ratioed

[Awning10]

twitter.com/Tampax/status/1305952342504767491

@StanfordPines

Transmen aren’t causing the issue at all.

Then maybe they need to speak up and maybe this dehumanising language can all be a thing of the past.

They do - on twitter. Funny how they arent taken as seriously though.

Plus there is a hell of a lot fewer transsexual males than transgender youth who are pushing a very different agenda and belief in sex.

@Babdoc

jdoejnr1, I doubt that it’s transmen causing this nonsense. They were raised and socialised as girls, so lack the sense of entitlement. It is more likely being driven by men. Men who run advertising campaigns, and who want to virtue signal in hope of scoring woke cookies from brainwashed young female trans ally handmaidens. Let’s hope the absolute torrent of outrage they’ve received on Twatter will make the idiots think again about the stupidity of offending their core market. Women.

I meant male to female rather than female to male. As in its biological men who are transitioning. Poorly worded by me.

Surely they are trying to include transgender men. Transgender men still bleed every month and I’m guessing here, don’t like being labelled as a woman?

While it’s possible to sympathise with somebody who feels distress about gender, sex exists and we need language to express that.

Insisting that anyone can get a period or that there is no concept (sex) that links the experiences of menopause, menstruation, pregnancy etc. just pushes women back into the dark ages.

It’s ironic that so many organisations claim to be removing stigma around periods when they are creating stigma around sex.

I’d also question whether ‘bleed’ is a helpful way to describe having a period.

@mum2jakie

I don't think there have been negative comments about men on this thread? The negativity is aimed at a company prepared to alienate women by trying to pretend that anyone needing their products isn't actually a woman. All this shit about 'myths' when we all know what the real myth is!

And I've spent years not having periods as an adult woman - thanks to several pregnancies and breastfeeding three kids through to weaning - I never felt that I needed to be singled out in Tampax marketing. "Not all women bleed"

"Males really have nothing in their tiny brains/lives if they have time to come up with this bullshit."

Believe me many mej appear to enjoy the excuse to be extremely misogynistic and sexist. This provides the perfect cover for such behaviour and opinions.

Check out the hashtag in the tweets to see what it really is that males think of us. Theres pouting and underwear picks galore.

I’d also question whether ‘bleed’ is a helpful way to describe having a period.

It's not a word I have ever used in my 40 or so years of having periods. I would use bleeding in the context of an injury, and it would need to be stopped before it becomes life threatening. Of course that does apply to absolutely everyone.

Perhaps, just perhaps, women are fed up with being told what we are and how to be by men. Now we are being told that men are in fact women to, by men.
So I’m sorry if we are pissed of at men and we know that not all men are like that. But just let us own the word woman please.

We have progressed smoothly from talking vaguely about ‘women’s problems’ to insisting that ‘women’s problems’ no longer exist.

"Lilith

@SeasonVelvet

·

20h

Replying to

@Tampax

and

@gobeeharris

Tampax is owned by P&G. You can also boycott their other products: Always®, Ambi Pur®, Ariel®, Bounty®, Charmin®, Crest®, Dawn®, Downy®, Fairy®, Febreze®, Gain®, Gillette®, Head & Shoulders®, Lenor®, Olay®, Oral-B®, Pampers®, Pantene®, SK-II®, Tide®, Vicks®, and Whisper®."

Something to consider.

"Lilith

@SeasonVelvet

·

20h

Replying to

@Tampax

and

@gobeeharris

Tampax is owned by P&G. You can also boycott their other products: Always®, Ambi Pur®, Ariel®, Bounty®, Charmin®, Crest®, Dawn®, Downy®, Fairy®, Febreze®, Gain®, Gillette®, Head & Shoulders®, Lenor®, Olay®, Oral-B®, Pampers®, Pantene®, SK-II®, Tide®, Vicks®, and Whisper®."

Something to consider.

We all ‘bleed’. That’s what makes this a targeting fail on the marketing department side. Those of us who menstruate may not consider this ‘bleeding’ because it is a nature phenomenon that is different completely to being injured.

If they are wanting to discuss alternative usage of their product as a medical aid for injuries, that is very different. I think this is actually a fail on many levels. Dehumanising language, mixed messages etc. if anyone thought this was inclusive, they obviously like dehumanizing language and clinical detachment. As a woman, this totally misses the mark for me. But obviously, I am no longer important to this company despite being a current menstruator and I was a customer of decades standing.

Tampax is owned by P&G. You can also boycott their other products: Always®, Ambi Pur®, Ariel®, Bounty®, Charmin®, Crest®, Dawn®, Downy®, Fairy®, Febreze®, Gain®, Gillette®, Head & Shoulders®, Lenor®, Olay®, Oral-B®, Pampers®, Pantene®, SK-II®, Tide®, Vicks®, and Whisper®."

Well there's a bonus to shopping at Aldi - the only thing I have from those people is some Vicks (I have a sainsburies one somewhere too, so I'll just skip to an own brand when it's time to refill).

Weird seeing SK-II on there - I had something of theirs ages ago, some 'special water' you were supposed to splash on your face twice a day, which was supposedly some Sake by-product. I credit that product with coming to my senses about the whole fancy face/hair product industry, when I realised the ridiculous thing I was dedicatedly doing morning and evening and expecting miracles!

@merrymouse

We have progressed smoothly from talking vaguely about ‘women’s problems’ to insisting that ‘women’s problems’ no longer exist.

Yes.

And it's not coming from transmen. It's not transmen who have to detach the word woman from biology. To them, they're not women. It's TRA transwomen who want the word woman to never be based on biology.

There's no way companies across the board are using chest feeder, menstruator, birthing person, cervix haver, etc because they are listening intently to what a vanishingly small minority of women are saying. Women's voices aren't that powerful. Look at the pushback - huge, but largely ignored.

Transmen are being used to legitimise it.

Munro Bergdorf insisted that women not focus on their 'reproductive' biology at the women's march. Pussy hats were negative and divisive. Not every 'woman' has one, etc. Loads of narratives about how women's biology is exclusionary, because not every...etc.

This is a determined effort to make 'womanhood' absolutely nothing to do with being an actual woman.

And yes, every contemptuous misogynist who would enjoy referring to women as 'bleeders, breeders and feeders' is enthusiastically joining in. And gets a medal for being 'progressive' too.

I’d also question whether ‘bleed’ is a helpful way to describe having a period.

Is this specific wording to do with the way that some male bodied transgender people are trying to claim that they ‘have periods’ but they just don’t have the bleeding part?

Separating the ‘bleeding’ from the rest of the monthly cycle makes it easier for some people to claim the changes generated by monthly of cycling cross sex hormones as ‘periods’.
Will the concept of periods eventually move to be seen as a function of cross sex hormones and ‘bleeding’ becomes the thing that the ‘non trans women’ do?

@gardenbird48

I’d also question whether ‘bleed’ is a helpful way to describe having a period.

Is this specific wording to do with the way that some male bodied transgender people are trying to claim that they ‘have periods’ but they just don’t have the bleeding part?

Separating the ‘bleeding’ from the rest of the monthly cycle makes it easier for some people to claim the changes generated by monthly of cycling cross sex hormones as ‘periods’.
Will the concept of periods eventually move to be seen as a function of cross sex hormones and ‘bleeding’ becomes the thing that the ‘non trans women’ do?

It's more likely simply because bleeding is the aspect of menstruation which requires a tampon or other absorbent items. I think sometimes we overanalyse!

I'd never heard about reusable pads until I was looking at period pants in the hope to completely forgo use of sanitary towels. I shall definitely be shouting about them, and researching green(er) companies who support women and girls.

@tattooedmummy1 I recently bought the lightest version of these --
www.ecoperiod.co/
not because I get periods (i don't any more!) but hoping to find a working substitute for Tena Lady. They use the word "women".

Tampax is owned by P&G. You can also boycott their other products: Always®, Ambi Pur®, Ariel®, Bounty®, Charmin®, Crest®, Dawn®, Downy®, Fairy®, Febreze®, Gain®, Gillette®, Head & Shoulders®, Lenor®, Olay®, Oral-B®, Pampers®, Pantene®, SK-II®, Tide®, Vicks®, and Whisper®."

Excellent. Thanks for that list. Bounty were already on it, the fuckers.

I found this little gem on the tampax thread (hopefully the picture works!).
Apparently we aren't allowed to define others by their physical characteristics...
Then could you please stop calling me cis?

You simply don't get to define what other people are

great!!!

Then stop defining me as not having a biological identity, stop inflicting your personal language choices and world views on me and respect my self definition that I am an adult human female who does not have a gender and is an atheist in identity politics. And therefore needs single sex spaces.

Accept that and we can live and let live, and we'll get alone fine.

Either it goes equally both ways or it isn't a value, it's just a basis for inequality and control.

@InFlagranteDerelicto

Tampax is owned by P&G. You can also boycott their other products: Always®, Ambi Pur®, Ariel®, Bounty®, Charmin®, Crest®, Dawn®, Downy®, Fairy®, Febreze®, Gain®, Gillette®, Head & Shoulders®, Lenor®, Olay®, Oral-B®, Pampers®, Pantene®, SK-II®, Tide®, Vicks®, and Whisper®."

Excellent. Thanks for that list. Bounty were already on it, the fuckers.

I tend to avoid big brands anyway - I used to work for a company that did contract manufacturing for supermarket own brands as well as some big brands - often almost identical products made on the same lines - just a little change to the shape and some different packaging - saves a fortune.

What the hell is with the 'Fact: not all women have periods' thing as well? As if we don't know that? It's hardly a 'myth'. They only say that in the context of then swooping in with 'Fact: not all people who have periods are women'. It feels like it's just using women who don't have periods to prop up and argument or something?

I had chemotherapy a few years ago and it stopped my periods because it shut down my FEMALE reproductive system. I was well aware that this was the reason that I was no longer having periods, rather than that chemo, amongst other delights, had turned me into a bloke!

It's more likely simply because bleeding is the aspect of menstruation which requires a tampon or other absorbent items. I think sometimes we overanalyse!

I spend my life overanalysing but I didn’t mean that was the intention of Tampax, but potentially the intention of the activists who raised it as an issue to Tampax. The use of the term bleeding reminded me of a number of tweets I have seen from people who are keen to ‘experience’ what they define as periods and seem determined to prove that their experience is authentic.

Although reading it again, it seems to be more focused on the trans men side of things so I am probably just overthinking.

What the hell is with the 'Fact: not all women have periods' thing

The way I read it-- to these advertisers with anything women related, transwomen come first, are recognised first, are most important. Because face it, they were not meaning woman in 'not all women...' were they. First sentence, most important people dealt with (and bowed to) then we can move over to these others. Too cynical?

The way I read it-- to these advertisers with anything women related, transwomen come first, are recognised first, are most important.

Given that this was never in dispute (menopause not being a recent discovery) it’s difficult to conclude otherwise.