Tampax getting ratioed

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twitter.com/Tampax/status/1305952342504767491

@SarahG6383

I’m confused about all the hate. Surely they are trying to include transgender men. Transgender men still bleed every month and I’m guessing here, don’t like being labelled as a woman? so I get it. So it’s including them too?

"Women and transmen" works just fine.

On that twitter thread someone posted something v similar from Mooncup, so they may not be the answer for those of us who prefer to give our money to people who haven't completely lost their minds.

Thank you - refresh and reload works! (Kind of like a tampon... sorry, I'll get me coat).

@Imnobody4

Being serious though, do trans people really need to be spoken to in this patronising, babyish way all the time? They're grown adults, all this 'we see you and we weaally luffs you' guff is cringey. This is exactly what I'm thinking. What do transmen actually gain from this idiocy. Are they deluded enough to think that having a period can be normalised as a human rather than a female process. Doesn't it just draw attention to the fact that they are not biological males?

Why don't I see them clamouring for toilet facilities that allow privacy for washing a mooncup, or sanitary bins in every cubicle.
I suspect they recognise it as misogyny (if there's not a lucrative advertising contract involved)

I'm incredibly cynical and suspect it's less to do with inclusivity for transmen, and more to appease the "transwomen are biological women" crowd. We are not to discuss biological differences between TW and women, and certainly not to point out that they have no need to use tampons etc.

Just had to share this, sorry. twitter.com/HerRoyalHeinous/status/1319949855926702080?s=09

From a medical perspective menstrual health is often used as an indicator for overall health. How often do you go to the GP with concerns and you are asked how your periods are. If your body experiences a lot of stress or you drop weight for example, periods stop . This is all such important stuff thah women are routinely asked about. Men are not asked about this obviously!

@SophocIestheFox

Fucking hell, who designed that graphic? Why don’t the women have faces

That ratio is glorious.

Someone on the twitter thread commented that they had removed women’s faces as the easiest way to remove their voice...

OTOH by the ratio women are roaring

It's the zealous 'look, we've done Good Thing, we've made it clear to biological women they don't exist, they're just body parts and male people, plus female people who are identifying as male people and anyone else who identifies as Not People are the only people who now matter! Aren't we good little kiddies, where's our cookie?"

They'll be all ready with the reproachful tweets about how sad it makes them when horrible females won't joyfully embrace their erasure and this brave new world of male supremacism.

And baffled, when they realise female people's response is somewhere between an eye roll and oh do fuck off, while looking for another brand that's not so bloody misogynistic and anti-woman.

Someone please tell me: for those of us who can't use mooncups but hate the environmental mess of tampons, but have biology that is stubbornly refusing to get woke and be identified out of, and so bleed through pads like a stuck pig, are there any other alternatives? Because obviously I shall now leave tampax for those who wish to pop them up their bottoms. Rather like I now leave M&S for the enjoyment of those who spunk on the clothes and the changing room floors.

it isn't enough to be inclusive. To be properly inclusive you have to be actively offensive to females who haven't identified into a higher caste.

If only those in Nepal had done that. Might not have been left to die in a hut then...

Wow I've had over 200 likes for my comment on the Tampax thread. They really don't know their market.

FFS Natracare and Mooncup as well

@MichelleofzeResistance

it isn't enough to be inclusive. To be properly inclusive you have to be actively offensive to females who haven't identified into a higher caste.

Yes. You expressed that so well.

For me women and transmen does not work.

Because it aligns with the idea that woman is an identity not a biological fact

I do not have an identity of women, it's just a sad fact of life. But I feel excluded by the trans community, partially because of their dismissivness of the impact of sex on people's lives, partly because I don't want to align to any gender identity, I just want to be me, accepted for who I am, with a respect and acknowledgment that my biology is not Male default.

I also don't actually think it's kind either, I think it's kinder to learn to accept your body as it is, than to try and convince yourself and others that they need to see you as a man in order to accept you are you are

I have been seriously told that Tampax are rather good for immediate first aid staunching high velocity bullet wounds.

(I didn't ask why the person who told me this knew that: he isn't an American and has never been in the forces. I would have thought that what kills you would be the exit wound, but I suppose if it hadn't then you'd need to stop the bleeding at the entrance wound while you were getting proper medical assistance.)

So as well as being for women who menstruate, Tampax really are for people who bleed. Sort of. In a very highly specialised set of circumstances. I wonder whether the SAS carry a few Tampax at all times just in case...

It's fascinating. In a capitalist culture, buying things becomes part of our identity, of who we are. So brands respond by appealing to what their marketing teams see as the most popular identities and cultural views. A side-effect could be that brand endorsement of a group of people or lifestyle could validate that group, culturally, because our identities are so entwined with marketing. But everyone thinks they actually care. Really they are just using trans people to seem progressive and therefore get more sales. It's quite cold exploitation, in reality.

@MichelleofzeResistance

ImseVimse make reusable tampons. I've not tried them, found their nappies very good when DD was a baby. I keep meaning to try their sanitary pads, as they are fleece free.
imsevimse.co.uk/product-category/period/reusable-tampons/

Thanks Susanna I'm on it.

@SarahG6383

I’m confused about all the hate. Surely they are trying to include transgender men. Transgender men still bleed every month and I’m guessing here, don’t like being labelled as a woman? so I get it. So it’s including them too?

I, and many other women in the real world, don't like being labelled as a bleeder, so why doesn't that matter?

Do women really have to be excluded to include transmen? My invite for cervical screening from the NHS says they invite women and individuals with a cervix. What's wrong with that?

When you look deeper, you realise this is nothing to do with transmen though. They're ignored just the same as women and only wheeled out when they can be conveniently used as a gotcha. This is to do with some men and their entitlement. If they can't have the name woman, we can't either. Make no mistake about who this is really for.

This kind of mangling of language, the fear of using the word women, led to the charity for women and girls ActionAid releasing a statement claiming there's no such thing as a biological female. If you're familiar with their work, you'll know they help women and girls who are stripped of their human rights and dignity and killed because of their biology. That's why this is a problem and where it stops being mildly amusing. This is what this nonsense leads to. It's insulting.

Are we really expected to believe that a young girl literally freezing to death outside in a hut she's been banished to for the crime of having a period, a natural biological function that is the result of being female, is crying herself to sleep because ActionAid used the words 'women and girls' in their campaign?

I don't use twitter so am a wee bit confused on ratio.

I googled and read The Ratio refers to an unofficial Twitterr* law which states that if the amount of replies to a tweet greatly outnumbers the amount of retweets and likes, then the tweet is bad.

However this tweet has 2k likes and only 1.2k quote tweets, so surely that mean the ratio is a positive. Sorry for being thick :)

What's wrong with it is erasing women.
Another day. Another "For fuck's sake"

For me 'women and transmen' would work. It emphasises that tampons are not for men, as it stands it could include men with a fetish.
I do wonder why woke people aren't campaigning for sanitary bins etc to be in mens toilets. Presumably because transmen are basically women and not important.

I’m confused about all the hate.

I know, right? Why on earth would female people hate being spoken about and to so offensively, and erased and excluded from their own class for the benefit of those born and who identify as male?

It's baffling I tell you. Women, eh? Who knows what goes on in those fluffy little heads.

I wonder whether the SAS carry a few Tampax at all times just in case...

My OH, who in an earlier life was a combat medic says yes, they do. (Although probably not Tampax as they expand more longways than out ways and have the stupid applicator which would just take up room in the med kit.)

I work in marketing and absolutely everything is measured and analysed. I'm so curious whether these brands see any meaningful dip in sales or performance metrics. Obviously their social media engagement increases - though it's predominately negative sentiment and I would think this would also increase website visits. But does it directly impact sales?