URGENT ACTION TONIGHT: SEX BASED RIGHTS

[MForstater]

Fawcett Society and Stella Creasy (I know, I know) have a ten minute rule bill tomorrow on equal pay.

It is about sex based rights but they are not shouting about that

twitter.com/MForstater/status/1318269397987971072?s=19

You can edit the letter to make that point clearer ... It's sex not gender!

My version

docs.google.com/document/d/10l7cD-BHjlths6OySRy-nq8NlsWeBF3a637dNAP_Fc8/edit?usp=drivesdk

Would you do this tonight and share on social media etc ...

I'm sorry but I can't buy into the idea of treating people differently, and giving some people extra rights, because of their chromosomes.

And again this shows exactly how little you actually understand women and what being a woman actually entails. If you did, you would actually understand that females need their rights to ensure that lifetimes of discrimination are not perpetuated. It must be really great to not have the burden of being discriminated against since birth.... some would say a real privilege.

With respect, it's not a derail. It's entirely relevant. Either you want to treat people differently based on their chromosomes (the definition of "sex" mooted by some posters here), or you want to judge people on their behaviours and values.

Gender and sex are the same thing and both social constructs. We are all human beings.

Why can't you stand for females having sex based rights due to their biological differences and the fact that they have historically and continually oppressed globally by males?

Your chosen gender presentation has fuck all to do with sex based rights.
The reasons we have laws to protect females due to our sex and reproductive capacity haven't disappeared just because some people want to pretend that our biology is irrelevant.

How is sex a social construct?

@MiladyRenata

With respect, it's not a derail. It's entirely relevant. Either you want to treat people differently based on their chromosomes (the definition of "sex" mooted by some posters here), or you want to judge people on their behaviours and values.

Gender and sex are the same thing and both social constructs. We are all human beings.

Could you please tell me WHAT part of a social construct being made redundant when I was pregnant is please?

Women's biology has been used to oppress them for generations. I can't "identify" out of pregnancy discrimination.

Job done. And shared. Thanks Maya.

But whilst I'm here:

'Gender'
'Gender Identity'
Biological sex
and
Sexual Orientation

Are ALL very different things. Lest we forget.

Now about the sex-based pay gap...let's hope our MPs read their emails

Well the reproductive role in itself is biology. But pretty much everything else about being a man and being a woman is a social construct. Why must we be a certain way (tough and stoical, or kind and gentle) because of our biology?

Fucking moonhowlers man.

Thankfully the attempted derail pushed this into active. I'll write.

My daily discharge is a social construct? My periods? My c-section scar?

Ha ha ha!

Sex is not a social construct if you are of the type that gets pregnant. That's pretty bloody real

But thanks, malady, guess that link in the OP is worth some investigation

@AldiIsla

Fucking moonhowlers man.

Thankfully the attempted derail pushed this into active. I'll write.

moonhowlers

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Gender is a social construct. Not sex.

@MiladyRenata

Well the reproductive role in itself is biology. But pretty much everything else about being a man and being a woman is a social construct. Why must we be a certain way (tough and stoical, or kind and gentle) because of our biology?

How does one define a man and a woman without biology having any role at all?

@MiladyRenata

Well the reproductive role in itself is biology. But pretty much everything else about being a man and being a woman is a social construct. Why must we be a certain way (tough and stoical, or kind and gentle) because of our biology?

Sure, once you dismiss biology, we're all exactly the same.

Unfortunately biology is fucking massive and the main reason women are disadvantaged. Because of our biological sex.

Gender stereotypes are harmful. You won't find any argument about that here.

But their root cause is biology. Men are bigger, stronger and rapier. Men dominate the workforce because of generations of oppression because of biologically having children and being expected to look after them.

Pregnancy, periods, breastfeeding. Biology, biology, biology.

OK, well quoting myself is weird, but:

"Well the reproductive role in itself is biology."

I thought that was reasonably clear. I just don't understand why you feel this determines what kind of person a human being should be and how they should live their lives.

I'm sorry but I can't buy into the idea of treating people differently, and giving some people extra rights, because of their chromosomes

So why are the TRA's screaming about getting extra rights and protections if we are all so equal?
Why so people need legal protections for their personality or presentation?

Gender and sex are the same thing and both social constructs. We are all human beings

Load of tosh. Even if given a different name sex would still be a defining category. There is no 3rd sex. We are male or female.
Just like every other mammal on the planet.

@MiladyRenata

With respect, it's not a derail. It's entirely relevant. Either you want to treat people differently based on their chromosomes (the definition of "sex" mooted by some posters here), or you want to judge people on their behaviours and values.

Gender and sex are the same thing and both social constructs. We are all human beings.

We are all human beings... some of us also gestate and deliver small human beings and therefore have needs for rights that are in fact NOT equal to those for male people. It is misguided to think that both sexes need the same rights, and probably misogynists who hate females for whatever reason.

And also, crack on with the pseudoscience. It does enlighten those who read these threads to just how ridiculous statements like 'Gender and sex are the same thing and both social constructs' are these days since a group of activists felt the need to deny biology exists and annex the words women used to describe themselves. Enlightening indeed...

It is done. Just the template and not much more but I'm having a few drinks and didn't want to cock it up.

I'm having my monthly socially constructed bleed out my vagina and I'm on the wine.

@MiladyRenata

OK, well quoting myself is weird, but:

"Well the reproductive role in itself is biology."

I thought that was reasonably clear. I just don't understand why you feel this determines what kind of person a human being should be and how they should live their lives.

Yeah, why on earth should a social construct like, erm, biology determine how a womb-haver lives their lives?

@MiladyRenata

With respect, it's not a derail. It's entirely relevant. Either you want to treat people differently based on their chromosomes (the definition of "sex" mooted by some posters here), or you want to judge people on their behaviours and values.

Gender and sex are the same thing and both social constructs. We are all human beings.

We do want to treat people differently based on chromosomes and this is in the Equality Act 2010.

We also judge people on behaviour and values but that's irrelevant to the the exemptions in the Equality Act.

Next question.

Sex does not determine the type of person you will be, or how you live your life up to a point.

However if you have female sex you will live your life needing sanitary protection, if you have Male sex you will suffer the effects of hormones like testosterone

If you are female, you will stop growing much earlier than the Male who willl have greater opportunity to develop size and muscle

These are facts.

A Male will never experience a hysterectomy, a female will not experience sex based priveledge.