Joe Biden issues new statement on the transgender debate

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In a Q&A he said he'll reverse all 'anti trans' executive orders if he becomes president. He revealed again that he doesn't really know anything about the trans debate but implied he will still give campaigners everything they want twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1316913590620852224?s=20

What makes you say that? Receipts, or it ain't happening

Receipts?
Seriously?!
Open your eyes to this thread for starters!!
If you want to, or indeed can that is, I hope so

@Quaagars

MN really is in bed with the far-right

I hate to agree, but It's becoming more and more obvious, there's been a definite shift the past couple of years.
This time last year there was a huge thread running on PP and appearing on a far right YouTube channel, it was OK with most of the board, especially the "big" names, save a few lone voices going "hang on a minute...."
got explained away as "don't have to agree with everything this guy is on about" even though raging far right mysogonist, as long as PP getting message out!
Now we've got people on here thinking Trump is the more pro women choice.... just what?!
It doesn't even attempt to hide on here anymore, it's not so much the undercurrent anymore, it's pervaded the entire board.

So I am in the North of Ireland. We don't have right or left politics here. I think genderism is a pile of shite. So what am I?

Am I allowed a 'far right' opinion (because far right doesn't actually exist here) where my British sisters aren't?

@Wildswim

if you are without opportunity or basic necessities or other things most Americans take for granted who cares what color your skin is

Exactly.

Reminds me of this video that went viral on Twitter. This guy is explaining how he is too busy working 2 jobs to feed his family. He has always struggled in life but didn't turn to crime. He felt so hopeless he considered suicide as he is stuck in the poverty trap which has been made worse over the last 30 years with so many jobs being shipped overseas. However Trumps economic policies have helped him and now he has hope. There are millions of people just like him. The horror though was when it went viral instead of addressing his issues, all the blue ticks on the left called him a paid troll, faking it, an uncle tom performing for his master. This inability to actually engage and immediate name-calling is why things like Brexit and Trump happened, to paraphrase the Clinton campaign in the 90s "its the economy stupid" not what someone's pronouns are. m.youtube.com/watch?v=c0ymjv3RO7Q

@Quaagars

What makes you say that? Receipts, or it ain't happening

Receipts?
Seriously?!
Open your eyes to this thread for starters!!
If you want to, or indeed can that is, I hope so

You just answer questions by asking questions, don't you? So...receipts?

I seriously fucking doubt that. MN really is in bed with the far-right.

No, MN is more left wing but compared to UK politics both Trump AND Biden are far-right. None of us would vote for a candidate as right-wing as Biden and few of us would even have the option to do so. So whilst you might think of them as left/right we just see a choice of right wingers and therefore the choice is less clear. We also don't live in the states so worry far more about their impact globally than on eg health care, taxes etc

So...receipts?

This. Thread.
Why do you need posts spoonfed, just so you can say "nope, try again?"
This. Thread. Is. A. Receipt.
Not quite sure how Trump is the best choice for women, I get not everyone will agree with me though.

@Quaagars

MN really is in bed with the far-right

I hate to agree, but It's becoming more and more obvious, there's been a definite shift the past couple of years.
This time last year there was a huge thread running on PP and appearing on a far right YouTube channel, it was OK with most of the board, especially the "big" names, save a few lone voices going "hang on a minute...."
got explained away as "don't have to agree with everything this guy is on about" even though raging far right mysogonist, as long as PP getting message out!
Now we've got people on here thinking Trump is the more pro women choice.... just what?!
It doesn't even attempt to hide on here anymore, it's not so much the undercurrent anymore, it's pervaded the entire board.

I think you're being ridiculous.

I'm left of centre, very pro freedom of conscience &speech, and think that Biden hasn't thought this through at all.

If Biden wins, he will owe it to the votes of millions of women switching to him from Trump. And Biden starts shitting on women's rights, it will be very obvious what it is.

Also the far right you tube channel PP was appearing on, was apparently OK though by those on here, least this raging mysogynist agrees with us on trans people, so all good!
Also a receipt so will try and find to link (if you really do want a receipt that is)

@BelleHathor that reminds me of what a working class American said on something I was watching once. He was working two casual zero hour jobs, struggling to keep his head above water. He said he and his wider family (living in the rust belt) had real and pressing needs and couldn't believe that Democrats and much of the media cared more about trans' use of bathrooms than about the plight of communities like theirs.

@Quaagars

So...receipts?

This. Thread.
Why do you need posts spoonfed, just so you can say "nope, try again?"
This. Thread. Is. A. Receipt.
Not quite sure how Trump is the best choice for women, I get not everyone will agree with me though.

Sigh it isn't, though, is it? Is this really all you have...pointing to a thread on the internet in the vain hope someone, somewhere might have said something you don't like? It's pathetic, really.

@usr798342

"I can assure you my family back home is neither. They have good reasons for voting the way they do."

I seriously fucking doubt that. MN really is in bed with the far-right.

This is the kind of post which makes me think a large number of people on the internet have a very tenuous grasp of politics and, indeed, reality.

Beliefs on Mumsnet which have, in the recent past, led to accusations that the people who hold them are adherents of far-right politics:

Belief in the importance of democracy.
Support for free speech.
A dislike of sex offenders and sexual predators.
Not wanting to vote to support the economic interests of the rich.
Opposition to antisemitism.

And so on, and so forth. It really is quite bizarre.

Is this really all you have...pointing to a thread on the internet in the vain hope someone, somewhere might have said something you don't like?

It's not a vain hope someone somewhere
We're obviously reading "different" threads.
Fine.
Fair enough

@Quaagars

Is this really all you have...pointing to a thread on the internet in the vain hope someone, somewhere might have said something you don't like?

It's not a vain hope someone somewhere
We're obviously reading "different" threads.
Fine.
Fair enough

You're talking gibberish, I'm afraid. Go back to sleep.

[quote Wildswim]@BelleHathor that reminds me of what a working class American said on something I was watching once. He was working two casual zero hour jobs, struggling to keep his head above water. He said he and his wider family (living in the rust belt) had real and pressing needs and couldn't believe that Democrats and much of the media cared more about trans' use of bathrooms than about the plight of communities like theirs.[/quote]
I feel like that now about e.g. Lisa Nandy. As well as those from other side like Crispin Blunt.

I can be equally exasperated by left, right, female, male, if they espouse an exasperating and damaging ideology and lie about it being already legal, or being a legal nicety.

I hate to agree, but It's becoming more and more obvious, there's been a definite shift the past couple of years

In the UK any shift to the right will be almost entirely explained by the Labour Party's lurch to left wing extremism under the inept and unelectable Corbyn. The Labour Party lost me after 40 years support when that incompetent Marxist and his Momentum pals took over. Starmer has a long way to go to repair the damage and personally trans issues have zero to do with why I no longer vote Labour.

The Democrats, in general, are right of the Labour Party and also right of the Conservative Party

Good, I'm a Ruth Davidson/ Kenneth Clarke type Tory- clearly less right wing than the average Democrat.

You're talking gibberish, I'm afraid. Go back to sleep

Ooh.
I'm wounded
That's me told lol
So much for everyone being allowed an opinion

@DidoLamenting

I hate to agree, but It's becoming more and more obvious, there's been a definite shift the past couple of years

In the UK any shift to the right will be almost entirely explained by the Labour Party's lurch to left wing extremism under the inept and unelectable Corbyn. The Labour Party lost me after 40 years support when that incompetent Marxist and his Momentum pals took over. Starmer has a long way to go to repair the damage and personally trans issues have zero to do with why I no longer vote Labour.

The Democrats, in general, are right of the Labour Party and also right of the Conservative Party

Good, I'm a Ruth Davidson/ Kenneth Clarke type Tory- clearly less right wing than the average Democrat.

Thank you for your post actually discussing instead of some of the five year old type responses from some if they don't like posts.

[quote Wildswim]@BelleHathor that reminds me of what a working class American said on something I was watching once. He was working two casual zero hour jobs, struggling to keep his head above water. He said he and his wider family (living in the rust belt) had real and pressing needs and couldn't believe that Democrats and much of the media cared more about trans' use of bathrooms than about the plight of communities like theirs.[/quote]
Yup, the Rust Belt were crying out for help for years. I wasn't surprised when Trump won in some states there (just like Boris repeated here in the northern Labour seats). Obama /Biden were responsible for signing of NAFTA which led to 10s of thousands of good paying jobs being shifted to Mexico. They were left to fend for themselves (while also tackling a fentanyl abuse epidemic) when they asked for help were told to "retrain".
Identity politics is the lipstick on the pig enabling politicians of both sides to pursue their lucrative globalist policies which hardly ever benefit those on the bottom, while still being seen as "nice" without actually tackling the issues that affect people.

I wasn't surprised when Trump won in some states there (just like Boris repeated here in the northern Labour seats)

Same and true, the fact Boris got in so easily is because the Northern mining towns have felt ignored for years - a lot felt they needed change, and "any change" was good.

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously

It's amazing to me that in a country the size of America, the two 'best' candidates they could rustle up are Trump and Biden! Why didn't the Democrats learn, after the Hillary Clinton fiasco, that they have to offer something better?

Exactly this. The USA desperately needs to get rid of Trump but the Democrats do NOT deserve to win if they are stupid enough to run Biden.

Thanks, Morris! "What is this insanity?" indeed.

It's paranoia on a level with QAnon, but my first thought was 'Putin's infiltrated mumsnet!'

@usr798342

"I can assure you my family back home is neither. They have good reasons for voting the way they do."

I seriously fucking doubt that. MN really is in bed with the far-right.

You don't think this:

In the last presidential election, out of the 20 poorest states, 18 of them voter for Trump. Out of the 10 richest states, 9 of them voted for Clinton.

might be relevant?

Normally people don't consider the left to be the political persuasion that ignores class analysis, but I guess that's for the far-right now?

As for the left-behind northern towns - a major reason why they voted Conservative was the attitude of remainers (of whom I am one) to them after the Brexit vote. The moral being that it's not a great idea to call people stupid and racist when you need them to vote with you.

The moral being that it's not a great idea to call people stupid and racist when you need them to vote with you

true

In the time I've been on MN I think there has been a move away from the left, but I always felt that much of the very right on lefty posting was inauthentic and touched on virtue signalling. No one in real life would ever know you were secretly a Tory and given the vitriol that used to thrown at Tory supporters it's not surprising they kept quiet.

Then along came Corbyn. Corbyn and Momentum gave those who theoretically were still left wing if asked but in reality had already moved away (pension pots and inheritance tax tend to feature more as one gets older) the ideal opportunity to publicly move away from the Labour Party and vote Tory without losing face.

Corbyn and pals also led those who were genuinely still Labour supporters/ moderate left wing to stop and question and think "no, this is not what I want"