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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

*TW* Pedophile found guilty of raping 5 year old given a SUSPENDED SENTENCE

237 replies

SebastianTheCrab · 15/10/2020 16:57

How? How??

If anyone knows how I can donate to the mum's bid to challenge his sentence in the High Court please tell me.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8843789/Mother-devastated-paedophile-walked-free-court-raping-five-year-old-daughter.html

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wellbehavedwomen · 15/10/2020 18:24

@cabotstove

I'm sorry but how did we get to the point that raping a child doesn't result in a jail sentence?!
A world in which 1.5% of rapes reported to police (and we all know most don't report - I have so many friends who've been raped, and just one ever reported it) even get charged - far less result in convictions. And a world in which Netflix can screen Cuties and see nothing wrong with child actors portraying explicitly sexualised behaviour, at just eleven years old. Real children being instructed to do that, to be filmed for adult eyes. And nobody at Netflix saw a problem.

Rape has been decriminalised, in fact if not in theory. Women's rights have been in sharp reverse now for some time - conviction rates have fallen off a cliff in the past few years - but the media reporting insists women have never had it so good, so most women simply don't know that that's not true. And if you look at any society - any, worldwide - the rights, protections and outcomes for children within that society are directly and clearly linked to the status afforded to women by that society. A culture that values women, will value children.

There's lip service paid to the impact of male violence against women and girls. But the Establishment don't take it remotely seriously as the public health obscenity it is. Rape Crisis are so grotesquely underfunded many waiting lists are closed, and 60% of referrals to women's refuges are turned away because they're all full. Meanwhile, male people are housed in women's prisons, and Labour bully and victimise women who point out that sex, and not gender identity, is at the root of women's oppression and that forcing services for vulnerable women to become mixed sex harms the women who need them. Meanwhile, people claim that Women Do It Too, even though we know that statistically, that's bullshit. At least 98% of sexual offending is male.

We have never needed feminism more.

Anyone wanting to do something could do worse than to set up a small monthly donation to the Centre For Women's Justice. They're the last line of resistance for women's rights in law, and they do incredible work on almost no money. A fiver a month adds up to sixty quid a year, and if everyone who could, gave a sum they could afford to lose, they'd be infinitely better able to defend us all.

Meanwhile writing this letter, or sending this email, costs nothing at best and a stamp at worst. And all of us can do that.

Catnuzzle · 15/10/2020 18:26

Email sent. This is truly appalling.

BrassicaRabbit · 15/10/2020 18:27

Fuck. This. Shit.

Will definitely complain.

williowrosenburg · 15/10/2020 18:28

This does seem extremely lenient!
The poor girl and her family.

Just to compare I know someone recently sentenced to four and half years in prison for having a sexual conversation online with someone underage....

Not saying the above is ok, but when you compare the two cases it just seems ridiculous!

Artesia · 15/10/2020 18:29

Thank you so much for flagging this- email sent, and will send hard copy too

Straven123 · 15/10/2020 18:29

I would think you need to put your name address and phone no if you email.
Thanks for Centre of Womens Justice link, I can donate some of the money I'm not spending thanks to Covid!

LemmysAceCard · 15/10/2020 18:32

The justice system values money over victims.

Don’t pay tax or your tv licence you get sent to prison. Any type of fraud will gain lengthy prison sentences. Benefit fraud and embezzlement, again long prison sentences.

Crimes against women - a slap on the bloody wrist.

WhereverIGoddamnLike · 15/10/2020 18:33

So our justice system have decided that the rape of a child is now mitigated by a payment of £2700. That's all they need and they can rape away without loss of freedom.

Unbelievable.

And the little girl actually testified. They put a tiny child on the stand to testify.... and then let the man walk.

Fairineouf · 15/10/2020 18:37

Anyone know if there's a petition for this? Have looked and can't see one. Absolutely horrendous, I can't imagine what the family must be going through. Perhaps this would be better moved to AIBU to get more people to write in and complain?

Am slightly baffled by the TW in the OP's title though - can't see relevant reference in the DM article, have they edited it out?

MumbleJunction · 15/10/2020 18:38

Emailed, that is horrible. I have a 6 year old and I don't have words.

happydappy2 · 15/10/2020 18:40

The sentencing guidelines state that rape of a child under 13 carries a starting sentence of 10 years in custody.....this just doesn't make sense that this horrific person is not locked up. Will email.

Kantastic · 15/10/2020 18:40

Am slightly baffled by the TW in the OP's title though - can't see relevant reference in the DM article, have they edited it out

TW means "trigger warning" in this case!

BaronessWrongCrowd · 15/10/2020 18:40

@Fairineouf

Anyone know if there's a petition for this? Have looked and can't see one. Absolutely horrendous, I can't imagine what the family must be going through. Perhaps this would be better moved to AIBU to get more people to write in and complain?

Am slightly baffled by the TW in the OP's title though - can't see relevant reference in the DM article, have they edited it out?

TW stands for trigger warning.
Coldhandscoldheart · 15/10/2020 18:42

@Fairineouf TW = trigger warning. Not the other.

20mum · 15/10/2020 18:43

After researching a great deal, many years ago, I reached a conclusion that almost all prisons do no good. Not, I hasten to stress, because people like this are best left wandering around. This week or last, radio 4 had a feature on some senior and sensible person who advocated closing most prisons, because they cannot make sense.

A lot of the people in them are more victim than villain. (A large proportion were abused, unwanted, neglected babies, and went despairingly on from there) There are inadequate, bewildered, hopeless, mentally ill, drug addicts. The literacy rate is low. After a conviction, they have little realistic chance of anything but crime.

It interested me that treating people like humans tends to make them behave better. Scandinavians apparently put fewer people in prison, but they are likely to get treatment and support aimed to change their behaviour. They are keen to have child and partner friendly meeting places and even conjugal visits, since they know a prisoner's continued contact with any family will be the best assistance to keeping on the right path after release. A minority of course need to be kept away from the public permanently.

The expert on radio 4 advocating closing prisons didn't mention hormones, but it had fascinated me that there's a direct correlation with testosterone levels and violence, even for women. It was long ago, but as I remember, the Scandinavian model included an option for rebalancing hormones, and also the option for those whose sexual interests were criminal, and not controllable, to choose to have medical assistance to ensure they had no interest in sex. It would seem sense to give the opportunity, because truly there is not the faintest chance that locking a man up, then letting him out, will change his sexual preferences. Once a danger, always a danger,(and a man of 70 80 or 90 who wishes to do something, and has the opportunity to do it, is still a danger)

MumbleJunction · 15/10/2020 18:43

TW = Trigger Warning @Fairineouf

WhereverIGoddamnLike · 15/10/2020 18:43

I cant find then judge's comments anywhere. The judge usually gives some remarks explaining their sentence, but I cant find them published anywhere.

Has anyone got a quote?

MumbleJunction · 15/10/2020 18:43

Ah sorry X-posted

BaronessWrongCrowd · 15/10/2020 18:46

I'll be writing in the morning.

wellbehavedwomen · 15/10/2020 18:46

@Straven123

I would think you need to put your name address and phone no if you email. Thanks for Centre of Womens Justice link, I can donate some of the money I'm not spending thanks to Covid!
Yeah, it's one of our monthly standing orders, and it makes me feel a little less powerless. Just wish we could give more. They are bloody brilliant - they're also supporting some of the women suvivors of the child grooming gangs, in one case to get her convictions for being an underage rape victim who complained too aggressively when seeking police help expunged from the record (I really, really wish I were joking). They also supported Emily Hunt, the woman told by the CPS that her rapist had every right to film her, naked, without her knowledge, because as she couldn't prove the rape to their satisfaction (they never charged him) it was completely his right to do that to her, as (presumed) consent to sex equalled consent to filming anything at all during the time in question, even without knowledge. She had to go to Judicial Review to force the CPS to accept that consent in relation to voyeurism is an oxymoron. They've also been at the forefront of the fightback against rape complainants having every single part of their digital life made available to police and assailant.

Whenever I see a case where women are combating inequality, I expect to see their names. Because usually, there they are.

Dagnabit · 15/10/2020 18:47

This is my home town Sad. There is no justice in this; that poor family. Not that I approve as such but his details are plastered over our local FB page and if he stays here, his life will be pretty miserable.

Kantastic · 15/10/2020 18:48

Perhaps put your thoughts on a different thread @20mum? I'd hate to see this one derailed from activism to achieve justice for this little girl.

User478 · 15/10/2020 18:50

She will still be underage when he comes off the sex offenders register.

Makes me sick.

Dawnlassie · 15/10/2020 18:52

That is horrific. Judge needs to be sacked asap.

Aquamarine1029 · 15/10/2020 18:54

How long until this monster claims another victim? There will be more victims, I have no doubt. Absolutely sickening.