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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

what's happening in Rosie Duffield's office?

141 replies

CarolJenkyns · 14/10/2020 16:30

www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/10/14/rosie-duffield-mp-labour-transphobia-row-staffer-quits-resignation-canterbury/

Not sure what to make of this to be honest.

OP posts:
wellbehavedwomen · 14/10/2020 20:11

@CarolJenkyns

i think what i'm struggling with is that Rosie has said the criticism she's been getting for her beliefs is misogynistic, but then both people who quit her team are women
Welcome to Mumsnet, OP.

That paper is deemed wholly unreliable by Wikipedia, of all places. So I'd not place your faith in their claims of anonymous feminists, rushing to deny sex is a lived reality, and condemning a woman - a survivor of male patterned violence - for pointing out that women have a stake in our own definition and our own rights.

Any woman who has a problem with that is no feminist. And we have no evidence whatsoever that these women even exist. It's not as if any other more reputable paper has talked to them, as far as I'm aware.

Caroncanta · 14/10/2020 20:12

Sounds like the trash is taking itself out TBH

Yep.

InflamatoryWrit · 14/10/2020 20:20

if you are here Rosie, well done for standing up to the bullying

I second that

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 14/10/2020 20:35

Sounds like the trash is taking itself out

Grin
Moonbasealpha · 14/10/2020 20:35

@Shedbuilder

I am aware of a Labour MP who is GC but who has at least one member of staff who isn't, and who conducts all their GC conversations (and exchanges of information) in secret WA groups.

Lots of lesbians, particularly the younger ones, are trans allies. Not all lesbians are feminists and loads of them have been brainwashed by Pride and Stonewall into thinking that they're being kind. It's a tragedy.

It’s interesting that you think lesbians that are trans allies must have been brainwashed.
thinkingaboutLangCleg · 14/10/2020 20:43

I think what i'm struggling with is that Rosie has said the criticism she's been getting for her beliefs is misogynistic, but then both people who quit her team are women

That’s the sad truth. So many women feel they have to be kind to men, even at women’s expense.

InflamatoryWrit · 14/10/2020 20:46

Moon "It’s interesting that you think lesbians that are trans allies must have been brainwashed."

No, what's interesting is that you think lesbians who don't believe only women have cervixes aren't brainwashed

Lumene · 14/10/2020 20:55

As we know all lesbians feel exactly the same way about all things which is why it's so difficult to get tickets to a KD Lang gig

🤣

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 14/10/2020 20:55

Also, not everyone is as heroic as Rosie. Her staff must have been frightened of getting the same abuse.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 14/10/2020 21:07

It’s interesting that you think lesbians that are trans allies must have been brainwashed

I'd suggest that someone who simultaneously knows themselves to be same sex attracted and is happy to pretend sex isn't real certainly isn't thinking things through

PearPickingPorky · 14/10/2020 21:22

A lesbian who's upset that a woman said only women have a cervix.

Snort.

CaraDuneRedux · 14/10/2020 21:26

@InflamatoryWrit

I admit I am a suspicious character by nature, but I smell faux query here. If OP is trying to undermine RD's character by linking a Prick News article, and to be fair they will say ANYTHING, well I'm not biting.
You think? Wink

In other news, windows are transparent.

RandomGel · 14/10/2020 21:46

Rosie rubbished the PN story earlier this evening.
She has also promised to tackle PN. Whether or not Rosie does tackle them, one day it will be one lie too many and they will be brought to account.
We have seen the demise of old and established news papers that were destroyed by the lies they spun.

what's happening in Rosie Duffield's office?
Butterer · 14/10/2020 21:48

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nauticant · 14/10/2020 21:52

Helen Lewis was accused of lying by Pink News over something she said on Radio 4 this morning and she is currently wiping the floor with them on twitter:

twitter.com/helenlewis/status/1316454452191264770

They are a very unpleasant propaganda rag.

KnightsofColumbusThatHurt · 14/10/2020 22:05

I can't take Prick News seriously since the 'Mumsnetters call for Drag Queen's crucifixion' article! 😂 I'm embarrassed for them.

Rose Duffield believes that people with cervixes should be referred to as women. It's hardly fucking controversy of the century.

Twitter is absolutely toxic and I think she is very brave to lay herself open in this way, she didn't have to to do this.

raddledoldmisanthropist · 14/10/2020 22:12

Welcome to MN.

I'm not sure a Pink News article attacking a female MP because her anonymous 'staffer' has allegedly quit is really relevant to FWR.

If you report your OP you can ask MNHQ to move it to sporner corner.

InflamatoryWrit · 14/10/2020 22:17

Oh yes of course, welcome to MN, OP.

Not sure what to make of this to be honest

MNers always willing to help out. No probs.

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 14/10/2020 22:17

However, the team member who just quit told Duffield: “I am a radical feminist; this is central to my politics. I have spent a lot of time thinking and reading about ‘gender critical feminism‘.

“It is tedious and unedifying to watch you claim that you are being bullied or victimised by trans Labour members, young activists, and even the co-chair of LGBT Labour.

“I think you will ultimately find the adulation of people with JK Rowling hashtags in their bios proves hollow succour.”

For those who don’t want to click on P** News, here’s my favourite part of the piece - such very fine writing deserves to be shared more widely, don’t you agree?

Whoever they are, making the claim that they are a radfem would suggest that their creative and imaginative prowess is on a par with that of JK herself. And they’re very good at using lovely long words: unedifying, victimised, adulation - ooh, delicious!

But le comble is surely that last sentence, which would have been worthy of Private Eye’s Pseud’s Corner, back in the day! Hollow succour. Marvellous. I can sense the author's bosom literally swelling with pride at having written those words, and rightly so.

Thank you, OP, for bringing this gem to our attention. And in return we have educated you about the existence of internalised misogyny in women! What a fruitful exchange.

(And also it appears that lesbians are not a completely homogenous group! Astounding! Is someone going to tell me they don’t all wear sensible shoes, too? Goodness me.)

PoorMansPaulaRadcliffe · 14/10/2020 22:23

Well, she's a better writer than Rowling, allowing that that's obviously a very low bar.

raddledoldmisanthropist · 14/10/2020 22:26

Well, she's a better writer than Rowling, allowing that that's obviously a very low bar.

Yeah, imagine if she'd been good- she might have been really successful.

That said, I think Harry Potter is a little more grounded in reality than this article.

RandomGel · 14/10/2020 22:30

It is interesting how the CEO seems to imply that he sees himself as a ‘great entrepreneur’ of a ‘global media business’.

Well he is right in one respect that he is entrepreneurial in his reviving of the ‘penny dreadful’ for a 21st century audience, but he ain’t no Murdoch.

Historians will make a study of the PN, as they do the Penny Awful, to explore the mindset of a society in the grip of ‘end of empire’ (Douglas Murray) dysphoria.

EmpressJKRowlingSpartacus · 14/10/2020 22:30

A ‘cis lesbian’ who took her story to Penis News? Says it all.

PoorMansPaulaRadcliffe · 14/10/2020 22:30

She might've reached the lofty heights of E L James. Food for thought.

EvenSupposing · 14/10/2020 22:33

Oh bless. A person who doesn't understand what an extensive vocabulary is for and thinks it's just to replace short words with longer ones.

Although if the aim was to sound like a pompous twat it's been totes successful.

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