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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Music by women for 14 year old niece?

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PossiblyPattio · 09/10/2020 11:29

She often visits and i'd like to introduce her to some empowering female role models, she loves music so i'd like to find some for her to listen to, women who go against patriarchal standards and can inspire her.
I'm thinking Patti Smith (BIIGGG FAN Grin) but i'm not sure if it would be appropriate? I got into her at around 16 but a lot of her music is quite deep and heavy but I think she was, and is, a brilliant woman who certainly goes against standards!!
Would appreciate some requests, thank you!! Smile

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Butterer · 10/10/2020 13:32

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SunsetBeetch · 10/10/2020 17:55

Yes this thread is great. I've discovered or rediscovered some great music. I hope your niece likes some of it, OP.

Trivium4all · 10/10/2020 18:33

If she likes historical music at all, or would like to explore it, the 17th century has some especially fabulous professional female composers:

Francesca Caccini (1587-1640): as a girl, she was part of her father's group of virtuoso singers and participated in some of the first operas. Later, she was the highest-paid musician in the Florentine court (one of the top jobs in Europe at the time), and was the first woman to compose operas. We still have one of those (La liberazione di Ruggiero dall'isola di Alcina), and it's a great story of an epic conflict between two sorceresses, involving lots of magic singing trees and sea monsters. And the male lead is a captured enchanted knight who just sits there waiting to be rescued. AND there's a horse ballet! She was known for her intelligence and talent, and she was a great advocate and protector for her girl students, against inappropriate advances by men of the court.

Barbara Strozzi (1619-1677) was the most prolific composer of printed secular music in Venice. She was the illegitimate daughter of an influential poet and intellectual, who made sure that she received the best training and opportunities available. She was an unmarried mother of four, and published her own music under her own name, without any court or church patronage. Her cantatas, mainly written for female voice, are amazing, colourful, dramatic pieces, that were at the cutting edge of composition.

Both of these musicians were swept under the carpet by later music historians, who weren't particularly interested in the activities of women. But in the past few decades, we've rediscovered their music, and it's finally starting to get the attention it deserves!

Keepithidden · 10/10/2020 18:36

Haven't read all the posts, but I would recommend Echobelly and Dubstar. Sorry if they've been done.

Oh also Belly.

Antibles · 10/10/2020 18:44

Wow trivium I thoroughly enjoyed reading your post!

Xanthangum · 10/10/2020 19:20

@Butterer - I loved the Nadine Shah album so much... that I bought the tea towel!

Music by women for 14 year old niece?
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bigpurplefuryknickers · 10/10/2020 19:44

Stevie Nicks
Enya
Jessie Ware
Amy Winehouse
Alicia Keys
Erykah Badu
Lauren Hill
Donna Summer
Chaka Khan
Destinys Child

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Mischance · 10/10/2020 19:49

If she has any interest in classical music, this spotify link is sunning: open.spotify.com/playlist/72WLIfIWRIawXgeCrmEnUH

It is a women composers marathon. There were and still are many brilliant female composers who hardly get a look in.

I have been studying women composers during lockdown - it is a revelation.

Mischance · 10/10/2020 19:50

stunning

nitgel · 10/10/2020 19:56

L7
lush
Breeders

JamieFrasersSwingingKilt · 10/10/2020 20:07

Not sure I've seen Pink or No Doubt mentioned.

bellinisurge · 10/10/2020 20:07

Aimee Mann
Sara Watkins

Navillerax · 10/10/2020 20:11

Julia Holter
US Girls
Sharon von Etten
Broadcast
Grouper
Spelling
Jenny Hval

Navillerax · 10/10/2020 20:11

Mazzy Star
Cocteau Twins

Trivium4all · 10/10/2020 22:49

@Antibles

Wow trivium I thoroughly enjoyed reading your post!
Thanks! Women have always been participants in music-making, but a lack of opportunity to access top-level training, combined with social barriers to professionalism, made it hard in Europe to attain the same levels of attainment in professional music. Add to that the priorities and preconceptions of the men who initiated the field of musicology and who continue, more than a century later, to shape the general understanding of European music history through a 19th-century lens, and you get women's achievements denigrated or ignored. There's no denying that there aren't many women who reached the top as composers in the past few centuries, but getting students to ask why that might be (and why we prioritise composers so much over other musicians) is half the battle. If girls need composer role models, and we can't find so many before the recent past, then getting both girls and boys to understand a bit more about historiography is really important.

But wait, that's not STEM...

TitianaTitsling · 10/10/2020 22:54

Has anyone mentioned shawn Colin? Loved 1997s Sunny came home 'Oh light the sky and hold on tight
The world is burning down
She's out there on her own and she's alright,:

TitianaTitsling · 10/10/2020 22:57

Non sleeping child wrecked that post! Shawn Colin!

Nannyamc · 10/10/2020 22:57

Donna Summer
Mary Black
Janice ian
And Tracy Chapman

TitianaTitsling · 10/10/2020 22:57

Colvin! Bloody spellcheck!

Nannyamc · 10/10/2020 22:58

Should have mentioned Kiki Dee her early solo stuff is magic

Mischance · 10/10/2020 23:00

Trivium4all - good to find someone else who has an interest in women composers!

Smellbellina · 10/10/2020 23:03

Skunk Anansie
Garbage
Kate Bush
Blondie
Gwen Stefani

Smellbellina · 10/10/2020 23:12

Tracey Chapman!

GingerAndTheBiscuits · 10/10/2020 23:18

Another vote for Phoebe Bridgers, she’s fab. And Julien Baker. And their collaboration group, boygenius.

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