Langcleg is vindicated

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Mumsnet thought that Langcleg was wrong to state safeguarding regarding children who thought they were trans. When langcleg argued for our kids Mumsnet didn’t like it. Mumsnet caved to the men. Instead of champion safeguarding, Mumsnet got rid of an expertise on this. Well, Langcleg was right and the Tavistock judicial review shows this.
Langcleg kept me sane in a world where others tried to gaslight me for my refusal to believe that my child was born in the wrong body.
Shame on you Mumsnet for cancelling the very people who help us parents. The voice of sanity. More importantly the voice of support. Do you really think langcleg did this for her own gain? No. She did this to protect us all. Gonna report this post now to bring it to the attention of the monitors.
Langcleg if you are still reading these posts I thank you so much for you help. I wish you were here now to comment on the Tavistock review and feel vindicated.

@Quaagars

And now waiting for the "DARVO" comments incoming 3,2,1.....

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I've said it before but I'd eat any number of bowls of that hellish concoction that is the notorious WBH if we could have Lang return..

Do I want her back much? 🤔

When you're discussing child safeguarding, it is black and white

But as a friend said to me at work this week, Some people don't like having difficult conversations.

"Be kind" doesn't belong in safeguarding. If a child, teen or vulnerable adult is being groomed we have to act. We have to have those discussions.

I'm kinda taking heart at just how much Lang is still getting up people's noses though. Attagirl.

Yes good to see her influence is still here.

Hope she is reading and snorting about how she can still get up noses

Yy RedToothBrush.

I'm kinda taking heart at just how much Lang is still getting up people's noses though. Attagirl.

Same here.

I've absolutely no idea how you could have shades of grey in safeguarding.

And that was the beauty of Lang. She understood the issue inside out and backwards. There was never a situation where safeguarding was applicable, that she didn't absolutely bloody nail.

Safeguarding is the key to maintaining safety for women and children. Which is why the Tavistock clinicians being instructed to bypass it is breathtaking. The very centre of the issue for vulnerable children deliberately swerves safeguarding.

Lang had an uncanny ability to see all the permutations where safeguarding wasn't prioritised.

She just knew exactly what she was talking about. And wasn't afraid to say so.

And that's why she's targeted.

@TinselAngel

I've said it before but I'd eat any number of bowls of that hellish concoction that is the notorious WBH if we could have Lang return..

Do I want her back much? 🤔

Come now Tinsel, the suffering would be as nothing compared to the the joy of having our beloved saggy-titted one returned to us

@TinselAngel

I've said it before but I'd eat any number of bowls of that hellish concoction that is the notorious WBH if we could have Lang return..

Do I want her back much? 🤔

I’m with tinsel I’m afraid

There are limits people

Agree with Butterer

If someone urging 'kindness' and 'respect' and 'tolerance for other views' was doing it from a place of a genuinely held value lived by and desired impartially from all, I could hold respect for that.

But it never is. In the context it is used, it's nothing more than a command for service owed with no reciprocation involved. It might as well be a bark of 'obey me'. The words used in this context are as meaningless as 'inclusion' and 'intersectionality': just buzzwords perceived as powerful and therefore hopefully helpful in making people do what the speaker wants from them, and used without any understanding of their meaning. Without shared meaning, words become useless in service of communication.

This is the whole unsolvable problem with the wider political agenda mentioned above. It is not possible to have a purposeful interaction when one party is working from objective, demonstrable fact as truth and another party is prioritising a selective, subjective and personal truth. There is no shared meaning from which the two parties can work together.

Question: is the banning of langcleg something that has produced an effective which amplifies her point?

@RedToothBrush

Question: is the banning of langcleg something that has produced an effective which amplifies her point?

Up to a point - the proliferation of tribute names like heads of the Hydra serves as a constant reminder. But, her expertise is still a significant and regrettable (to put it mildly) loss.

I've said it before but I'd eat any number of bowls of that hellish concoction that is the notorious WBH if we could have Lang return..

So would I. gulp

I've absolutely no idea how you could have shades of grey in safeguarding.

And that was the beauty of Lang. She understood the issue inside out and backwards. There was never a situation where safeguarding was applicable, that she didn't absolutely bloody nail.

YY. NO SACRED CASTES.

Michelle's point about the wider political agenda is an important one.

I was cringing last night at Nicky Morgan on HIGNFY, whose attempts to bat away Paul & Ian's barbs were not as funny as she thought they were. More concerning was that she seemed to imply that she had been trained to respond in that way. No debate. Stick to the message and carry on.

No wonder we have ended up where we are with Covid when the chosen experts are the only ones listened too.

And no wonder the be carry on and be kind brigade have to put their fingers in their ears when knowledgeable woah-there-a-minute-that's-a-safeguarding-issue people get in the way.

Come now Tinsel, the suffering would be as nothing compared to the the joy of having our beloved saggy-titted one returned to us

I comfort myself with the thought that it is an unlikely scenario that MNHQ will say "Oh alright, Lang can come back, but only if Tinsel eats the WBH"

Is that one wearing a Compo from Last of the Summer Wine, hat?

That is the Venus of Willendorf, I'll have you know - a very interesting icon from prehistory, and some have postulated that it came from a matriarchal society.

Frankly, I'm a fan of the Sheelnagig. A sort of spiritual, feminine middle finger. You have to imagine it has teeth to get the full effect, imo.

@FloralBunting

Is that one wearing a Compo from Last of the Summer Wine, hat?

That is the Venus of Willendorf, I'll have you know - a very interesting icon from prehistory, and some have postulated that it came from a matriarchal society.

Frankly, I'm a fan of the Sheelnagig. A sort of spiritual, feminine middle finger. You have to imagine it has teeth to get the full effect, imo.

I'm pretty convinced that Venus figures are the Palaeolithic version of a tourist souvenir.

I reckon there was probably a religious/mystical/augury destination somewhere in Europe (a bit like Delphi later on) where people went for the reasons people go to such places and the folk who ran the place flogged these statues to pilgrims in return for, say, a sheep or a knife with a rather nicely carved bone handle.

Venus figurines, I reckon, are the ancient version of the stuffed raffia donkey from Benidorm.

I'm pretty convinced that Venus figures are the Palaeolithic version of a tourist souvenir.

I often think this too! When archaeologists dig something up and speculate on its religious signficance or whatnot, I think: they might just thought it looked nice on the cave mantelpiece or wedged a door open with it.

I sometimes look at the peculiar implements I have collected in my cutlery drawer over the years and wonder what a civilisation ten thousand years hence would make of some of them. I mean I don't know what some of them are now.

@Antibles

I'm pretty convinced that Venus figures are the Palaeolithic version of a tourist souvenir.

I often think this too! When archaeologists dig something up and speculate on its religious signficance or whatnot, I think: they might just thought it looked nice on the cave mantelpiece or wedged a door open with it.

I sometimes look at the peculiar implements I have collected in my cutlery drawer over the years and wonder what a civilisation ten thousand years hence would make of some of them. I mean I don't know what some of them are now.

I'm now imagining a cave with a door and a mantelpiece.

@Antibles

I'm pretty convinced that Venus figures are the Palaeolithic version of a tourist souvenir.

I often think this too! When archaeologists dig something up and speculate on its religious signficance or whatnot, I think: they might just thought it looked nice on the cave mantelpiece or wedged a door open with it.

I sometimes look at the peculiar implements I have collected in my cutlery drawer over the years and wonder what a civilisation ten thousand years hence would make of some of them. I mean I don't know what some of them are now.

Haha! 🤣🤣

I'm reminded of recent findings that many ancient cave paintings were probably done by women. I somewhat fear this will lead to them being downgraded from important art work to mere interior design.

I sometimes look at the peculiar implements I have collected in my cutlery drawer over the years and wonder what a civilisation ten thousand years hence would make of some of them.

It happens even in a couple of generations. My elderly DM has pointed out before, one of her most loved ornaments is a salt glazed hot water bottle - a jar one. Stood on a shelf, inherited from her GM. Her GM would laugh like a drain that an every day functional household item has become within a century an antique ornament. Makes me look around and wonder if my ggc will be lovingly dusting the ancient antique hoover on their mantel.

TBH I've found gadgets and weird things in my own cupboard that I've long since forgotten the purpose of.

That venus figure is, I think, the one that features in the Earth's Children series by Jean Auel.