Langcleg is vindicated

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Mumsnet thought that Langcleg was wrong to state safeguarding regarding children who thought they were trans. When langcleg argued for our kids Mumsnet didn’t like it. Mumsnet caved to the men. Instead of champion safeguarding, Mumsnet got rid of an expertise on this. Well, Langcleg was right and the Tavistock judicial review shows this.
Langcleg kept me sane in a world where others tried to gaslight me for my refusal to believe that my child was born in the wrong body.
Shame on you Mumsnet for cancelling the very people who help us parents. The voice of sanity. More importantly the voice of support. Do you really think langcleg did this for her own gain? No. She did this to protect us all. Gonna report this post now to bring it to the attention of the monitors.
Langcleg if you are still reading these posts I thank you so much for you help. I wish you were here now to comment on the Tavistock review and feel vindicated.

@Quaagars

It really does. "Be nice/kind" is a poor message for girls on a number of levels

True
On here, though, if you express a different opinion as a female on here that doesn't always work though - if you're "forthright" it's OK if you're GC as women don't have to be nice.
If you're forthright and not GC though you're being an angry man or a TRA.
How does that work, then?

Yes, this is exactly what I've found here.

TRA/MRA/troll accusations are flung about far too readily as an 'easy' shutdown for posters who dare to put their heads above the parapet and disagree with the prevailing narratives.

Weetabix box shrine with Compo style saggy titted idol

I have to say, I'm a fairly bog standard GC homeless lefty and yet I've been on the wrong side of the recipe treatment, and also been accused of posting in bad faith. I understand that we're operating in a climate that makes everyone suspicious but I don't think it's healthy.

Errol is right
Surely it's much more sensible to critique posts based on their content - so, rather than 'style', are they prioritising women or men, for instance?

I try to always stick to arguing about content. I find that's what most people do here.

Any personal attacks or troll hunting comments are quickly deleted.

@Quaagars

It really does. "Be nice/kind" is a poor message for girls on a number of levels

True
On here, though, if you express a different opinion as a female on here that doesn't always work though - if you're "forthright" it's OK if you're GC as women don't have to be nice.
If you're forthright and not GC though you're being an angry man or a TRA.
How does that work, then?

Its the gender criticals being told to be nice all the time when its not about being nice, its about identifying a problem which no one want to acknowledge or take ownership / responsibility for.

I will say i have been alarmed by the rise of extreme right wing views exploiting fwr atm and targeting people here.

That's about ideology not identification of safeguarding though.

I find it fairly easy to tell the difference and is one reason i have not posted so much lately. I warned it was likely if there wasn't recognition of said aforementioned problems...

TRA/MRA/troll accusations are flung about far too readily as an 'easy' shutdown for posters who dare to put their heads above the parapet and disagree with the prevailing narratives.

If this happens, how do "accusations" shut you down though? You can post. Make more robust/defensible arguments and not so many claims of victimhood.

If you cant define a woman then you aren't grounded in any sort of reality.

Most people here start from the stance that the sexes are easily defined. And we should just operate on that basis and take it from there.

@Floisme

I have to say, I'm a fairly bog standard GC homeless lefty and yet I've been on the wrong side of the recipe treatment, and also been accused of posting in bad faith. I understand that we're operating in a climate that makes everyone suspicious but I don't think it's healthy.

Given that there's been organised attempts to get certain postered banned dont you think that's part of the problem and the distrust?

This has a long history.

And there is a feeling that mnhq has failed to address this adequately at times (some of this is unfair criticism).

That does come from this being the only place where women are central in political thought. It has a target on its head.

Until there is more open spaces where women are central it will always be a problem.

@InflamatoryWrit

TRA/MRA/troll accusations are flung about far too readily as an 'easy' shutdown for posters who dare to put their heads above the parapet and disagree with the prevailing narratives.

If this happens, how do "accusations" shut you down though? You can post. Make more robust/defensible arguments and not so many claims of victimhood.

It is used as a way to discredit your views, to shut you down though. If it's against groupthink (yes, I know not it's a hive mind before anyone says) it starts. If you haven't been on the receiving end it's hard to explain as you have to see it for yourself. It's not about "crying victim." It's literally what happens and it's not OK.

Weetabix box shrine with Compo style saggy titted idol

I think it would properly honour her.

Langcleg kept me sane in a world where others tried to gaslight me for my refusal to believe that my child was born in the wrong body.

To go back to the start of this thread. The effect that Lang has on women here is shown by the number of times she is still referenced. I know she probably made life hard for the moderators but only because as a society we have given far too much power to those who don't care about safeguarding children.

When even the NSPCC guidance is obviously dodgy, something has gone badly wrong.

Hopefully the Keira case will start the pushback.

I forgot about the weetabix.

I think banana is a worthy addition but without the weetabix

If this happens, how do "accusations" shut you down though? You can post. Make more robust/defensible arguments and not so many claims of victimhood.

This is quite typical of victim-blaming that goes on here. It's your fault if you are discouraged by accusations of having posted in bad faith, because you're too fond of playing the victim.

I think it may just be part of the awkward reality of political activism in this climate.

People will distrust each other, and feelings will get hurt along the way.

The one thing that really unites us - and that we need to keep asserting - is the biological fact that sex exists, and the impact that has.

That was after pelleas post, fast moving thread

@RedToothBrush

Wish these boards had a like button.

I'm not a good feminist.
Like a true rad-fem, I can see the challenges (and opportunities) inherent to sex... but in my head, I don't center women as a class (sorry!). I'm too focused on individuals, and individual freedom, and wary of labels and generalisations.
Yet I also think gender is irritating, mind-numbing bollocks, so I can't claim to be a proper lib-fem either, mind you (not that I'd want to)

... But I do take offense at speech which seems to disrespect basic facts, and constantly seeks to rewrite reality. At words being redefined till language means nothing at all. At this unenlightened post-truth world. At lying liars who lie (typically, with self-serving, nefarious intent)
That's my red line.
And that's why I'm here (on these boards). We don't all have to agree on the same things to find common ground: material reality exists. It matters. Social norms may come and go and be reformed, but we all live in the real world, and if someone tries to destroy my (our) ability to talk about the real world in an intelligible fashion, then suddenly I feel very angry indeed... Because this is coercion. This is 1984 Newspeak. It's an unacceptable infringement on my mental freedom. And it (incidentally) enables all kind of abusive behaviour to go unnoticed (you can't talk about what you can't name).
No. FUCKING. Way.

Well said. Kaiserin.

@Oxyiz

I think it may just be part of the awkward reality of political activism in this climate.

People will distrust each other, and feelings will get hurt along the way.

The one thing that really unites us - and that we need to keep asserting - is the biological fact that sex exists, and the impact that has.

You mean reality.

It was quite telling in the thread i was on yesterday how little thought about science and evidence had been given to children and transmen within parts of the trans community.

I don't like gender but i also think in legal terms its not going away.

But this is where sex must also be seen and valued as an important factor in lived experience.

The reality is the phrase 'trans' is referential to sex. Gender identity doesn't exist in a world without sex.

We need to see both. And protect vulnerable along both lines.

Those who try to pass under the radar dont recognise how this does harm to others or allows harm to others from others. This isnt ok. Its not a reality which is workable.

You cant be a woman if you arent one. Sex still exists. That doesn't mean you have to live by male stereotypes but its not ok to erase womens boundaries by stealth or guilt either.

@SophocIestheFox

Weetabix box shrine with Compo style saggy titted idol

The idol must be seated on a humongous jar of Marmite to properly honour her Sophocles

I miss Lang every day on these boards, and think often of her and the other women that we've lost like Angry/Prodigal Kittens to name but one.

I don't think I'd properly and fully considered what safeguarding was until posters such as Lang helped to clarify it. Just one of the countless things I've learned over the years of being on these boards.

I've said it before but I'd eat any number of bowls of that hellish concoction that is the notorious WBH if we could have Lang return..

Kaiserin - well said.

Funny also how the word manipulators shout victim when they are called things they dont want to be called, like TRA for example. But women have to accept the words that describe their sex bring expanded to include the opposite sex, cos 'kindness'

Lies and liars trying to force their lies on us and make liars of us too.

No.