@Moonbasealpha
What exactly is the problem? I haven’t seen trans women posting on this forum now for months, maybe longer. Posters have successfully chased all trans people off here.
Self ID is no more. So that’s been successfully shelved.
I think there are some posters here who won’t be happy until they can openly refer to trans women as ‘men’ and ‘he’. That’s what’s going on here.
You are looking at the right threads.
I had a conversation last night with someone on cross sex hormones.
We were talking about studies and evidence of harm for puberty blockers and cross sex hormones. I thought they were saying things that were no accurate so i asked for the source.
I got a couple of links.
Lets just say it didn't reflect was the poster was saying here and it confirmed what we've said about there being a serious lack of evidence for the effects on children and transmen.
Given the context of the thread theme this was quite a problem.
We also know that this kind of opinion is being shared on trans forums with kids. Also a problem.
Its really important we challenge people and misrepresentation of studies if they are saying theres no problem.
I don't give a fig what their gender status is.
If i challenge it, am i going to 'chase someone off' because they dont like being presented with valid evidence based concerns? Im not trying to be difficult about it or nasty in anyway. It was there in black and white from a source that i didn't provide.
The thing is there is more than one interest group involved here. And we are talking about the pushing of long changing drugs - which isnt a factor present when you are gay or lesbian - , and it seems to be male older transitioners pushing for access to experimental drugs on much younger female transitioners who carry completely different risk profiles. Which is a problem.
This is where it is important to be able to point out that transwomen are falling into the male trap of falling to recognise the gap in research for men and women which occurs across all sections of medicine. We need to be able to highlight the fact we can not lump all trans medicine into one group because its not that simple.
But we are caught between this crap of being called transphobic and real world issues which have very serious implications - often for the trans community itself.
The real issue is that one interest group within the trans community want safeguarding removed because that benefits them and they see it as an obstacle, but removal of those safeguards harms others within their own community and others outside it. And theres a sizeable number dont wish to have this pointed out - especially the bit about harm within the trans community itself. Because it does fit their agenda and they dont wish for others to realise it because it harms the chances of them achieving their goal. Any challenge at all is misrepresented as afront and not caring or understanding instead. Its not. Its just people saying 'hang on theres a problem here' that they dont want to have to acknowledge.
This is what frustrates me. I come from a place of understanding this and being concerned about how misrepresentation harmed a family member. I know that theres a sizable number of posters her with daughters who they believe are being told unscientific bullshit, but they cant stop it.
Bottom line i think there is a case to say that people who are spreading what in other contexts would be more clearly identified as 'conspiracy nonsense' are actually leading and influencing policy and yes this needs to be challenged robustly in order to strengthen evidence led practice in this area.
When pointing out the blindly obvious problem which is causing harm to children becomes presented as 'not being nice to other users' as it might chase them off...
... I think it shows up the problem of the 'be nice' mantra of this age which forgets the simple reality that not everyone has your best interests at heart and not everyone is nice.