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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Accessible Toilets

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WarOnWomen · 03/10/2020 13:28

I've just seen this thread by Fair Play for Women regarding their stance on toilets. Maya F is also on the thread clarifying the issue.

twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1312062467191734273?s=21

They are saying that everyone should be comfortable choosing the toilets they want to without being forced to share with opposite sex. Yup. Trans people should also not have to share with people designated at birth. Yup, also agree. Have a mix sex category for people who don't mind and trans people. Sure.

They are saying these facilities already exist. Accessible toilets. This is where I feel lost and let down. These toilets are for disabled people. People worked hard to get these accessible toilets. I don't want my mum having to share these toilets with trans women, anymore than I want them in female spaces. It's just wrong. And don't disabled people have a say as part of the EA2010?

Please tell me I have the wrong end of the stick.

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334bu · 08/10/2020 15:15

Is there still time for " what about the lesbians" or did I miss that one?

RedDogsBeg · 08/10/2020 15:19

@334bu

Is there still time for " what about the lesbians" or did I miss that one?
I am most surprised that that trope hasn't been thrown in the mix, but we have been treated to some other absolute corkers instead.
334bu · 08/10/2020 15:44

Well they are on another thread now so maybe we won't get to call house.

karenkanta · 08/10/2020 16:35

It is not illegal to possess a penis, I mean I'm not saying it shouldn't be, but it's not yet.

It's not illegal to possess one no. You're right. For once. But there's places that a penis should not be present. They shouldn't be present in women's refuges, toilets or showers. They shouldn't be present in the female prison estate. They shouldn't be present on women's short lists. And in public, penises should remain in the owners pants. Not photographed by the penis owner in the communal bathroom of women's refuges and placed online for all to view (particularly if they don't want the image shared) or alternatively left hanging out for others to see, whether on purpose or by 'accident'.
Hope this helps clear up your confusion.

jj1968 · 08/10/2020 17:07

As I've said many times, if you don't like a hostel being trans inclusive then take it up with the hostel management, don't attack a resident who quite possibly has little choice but to be there. And if you think trans inclusive shelters should be banned, despite mixed sex ones being legal, then say so, but perhaps drop the allegation that it's trans people who are the authoritarians.

By communal bathroom I assume you mean a private bathroom, shared by different people, as you might find in any flat share which would be the arrangement in most hostels. You are certainly making a lot of assumtions. How do you know their facebook page was public, given how fast facebook removes public photos of that nature it seems unlikely tbh, the pics and screenshots could well have been leaked. Do you even know if that photo was taken in the bathroom of the shelter, people have facebook pics going back years?

The tweet clearly reveals she is somewhat surprised by morning erections returning after her hormone regime was changed. She could merely have been clumsily saying this made her feel a bit awkward going to the bathroom in the morning. There's no evidence anyone saw her, no evidence she exposed herself to anyone, and no evidence of a victim. If there were then I would hope the hostel staff did something about it, which could have included kicking her out or informing the police. But there's no evidence this happened.

Yes her tweets are a bit uncomfortable, but they weren't meant for us to read were they. And it is very common for people with mental health conditions or substance misusers to sometimes say inappropriate things. According to the shelter: "This low-barrier system accommodates women with severe mental health and addiction issues. Each night we shelter up to 150 women with beds for 57 women, many of whom have been rejected by other shelters. As the focus is harm-reduction, women will not be turned away."

I know of a couple of projects like this. They have impeccable safeguarding and security procedures. They will also deal with much more serious incidents than this on a regular basis. If you don't like that they allow trans women in take it up with them. Do not sexually harass and make lurid allegations about a vulnerable service user based on a couple of tweets that really tell us nothing at all. I would have hoped a professional in this kind of field would understand why that's a problem.

growinggreyer · 08/10/2020 17:11

Well, you are certainly vociferous in your support of this person. We can't fault you for that. If you ever find any empathy for actual women, pop back and let us know.

EvenSupposing · 08/10/2020 17:12

He doesn't look that surprised by his cock in the photo tbf... Grin

InflamatoryWrit · 08/10/2020 17:14

@growinggreyer

Well, you are certainly vociferous in your support of this person. We can't fault you for that. If you ever find any empathy for actual women, pop back and let us know.
Grin
CaraDuneRedux · 08/10/2020 17:15

@EvenSupposing

He doesn't look that surprised by his cock in the photo tbf... Grin
Quite the contrary - I'd say seemingly quite enamoured by it.
karenkanta · 08/10/2020 17:27

I would have hoped a professional in this kind of field would understand why that's a problem.

I am starting to think it's actually you that's the bathroom photograph taker. And your clear lack of understanding about basic safeguards demonstrates to me that you are not a professional on any level at all. You are all word salad and no substance. As for being authoritarian, some trans people certainly are, and some are not. The trans allies who support this ideology with no consideration to the damage it causes other people (yes I am referring to you) also fall into the authoritarian category. Every day, more and more people are waking up to the damage that people like you cause. And they are taking steps to stop it in its tracks.

testing987654321 · 08/10/2020 17:37

This low-barrier system accommodates women with severe mental health and addiction issues

Women don't have penises. Only women should be there.

EvenSupposing · 08/10/2020 17:51

First thing I thought when i saw that photo was 'that looks like some impeccable safeguarding's happening there'. I might pop it on a slide and use it as exemplar material in training.

Datun · 08/10/2020 17:52

I am starting to think it's actually you that's the bathroom photograph taker.

Yep. You're not the only one. If I was a betting woman...

Datun · 08/10/2020 17:53

@EvenSupposing

First thing I thought when i saw that photo was 'that looks like some impeccable safeguarding's happening there'. I might pop it on a slide and use it as exemplar material in training.
Me too.

I was also struck by how the man in question looked like he was obviously the victim of predating behaviour and sexual humiliation.

Textbook really.

EvenSupposing · 08/10/2020 17:54

In fairness jj does seem able to string together a (grammatically, not logically) coherent sentence and not to need to communicate by throwing cereal at people. So they may not be one and the same.

EvenSupposing · 08/10/2020 17:55

Sorry it was pills not cereal. I had Fruit Loops in my heads for some reason. No idea why... Grin

334bu · 08/10/2020 17:59

Is that what they are calling safeguarding now? My you live and learn?

jj1968 · 08/10/2020 18:05

@growinggreyer

Well, you are certainly vociferous in your support of this person. We can't fault you for that. If you ever find any empathy for actual women, pop back and let us know.
Many many women have been sexually harassed by having intimate or sexual photos shared across the internet in this manner without their consent. That is why in many countries laws were introduced to make it illegal. And the men who do it often make similar defences to the ones seen here, she looks happy, shes an exhibitionist, she's enjoying it, she posted it on her facebook herself, she's only a sex worker, she did something bad or illegal so I'm getting back at her, she was asking for it. Have a word with yourselves.
334bu · 08/10/2020 18:09

Most of these women didn't post them on s public forum like Twitter

InflamatoryWrit · 08/10/2020 18:15

Have a word with yourselves

The word that comes to mind is...DARVO

Stop blaming women for being the victims of men

jj1968 · 08/10/2020 18:21

@334bu

Most of these women didn't post them on s public forum like Twitter
Many did. And that doesn't mean they were asking for it.
karenkanta · 08/10/2020 18:26

Generally the willy wavers falls more in to the category of the harrasser rather than the harrassed.

334bu · 08/10/2020 18:30

You mean like all those men who posted dick pics on the Baroness' twitter timeline and the ones that posted lewd tweets on a children's book Twitter timeline

EvenSupposing · 08/10/2020 18:30

Serious differences between men and women jj. Much as you might wish that were not true.

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