Accessible Toilets

[WarOnWomen]

I've just seen this thread by Fair Play for Women regarding their stance on toilets. Maya F is also on the thread clarifying the issue.

twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1312062467191734273?s=21

They are saying that everyone should be comfortable choosing the toilets they want to without being forced to share with opposite sex. Yup. Trans people should also not have to share with people designated at birth. Yup, also agree. Have a mix sex category for people who don't mind and trans people. Sure.

They are saying these facilities already exist. Accessible toilets. This is where I feel lost and let down. These toilets are for disabled people. People worked hard to get these accessible toilets. I don't want my mum having to share these toilets with trans women, anymore than I want them in female spaces. It's just wrong. And don't disabled people have a say as part of the EA2010?

Please tell me I have the wrong end of the stick.

Forcing women and girls to share intimate spaces with this male homeless person is indeed an attack on women's boundaries.

Is there an acceptable way to orive that letting males into womens spaces is a bad idea,

I mean we tell you what's happened its not good enough. We provide proof and thats wrong too?

Is there a reason you keep moving the goal posts whilst siding with a potentially violent male witg their dick out in a womans shelter ?

And just so we can stop with the absolutely shameless insinuations about sharing sexualized pictures of a minor:

This person, when being arrested for an assault, and on having the existing criminal record as an officially "violent offender" brought up (also talks of stabbing a flatmate), rants about being assumed to be a minor. While having been born in 1993.

That's who we are discussing. A violent, disturbed male person who is at least 26 years old.

Women who say no are always the monstrous and repellent ones. Women who say no will always be the monstrous and repellent ones. Women who say no have always been the monstrous and repellent ones.

Monstrous And Repellent like gorgons. How fucking novel.

@CharlieParley if you are at the point of arguing we'll actually, technically this probably isn't a sexual offence then you are long passed the point where you should be having a serious rethink about your behaviour

Oh nice swerve!👏

[quote jj1968]@CharlieParley if you are at the point of arguing we'll actually, technically this probably isn't a sexual offence then you are long passed the point where you should be having a serious rethink about your behaviour[/quote]
Section 33 offences are not offences under the Sexual Offences Act. It's a criminal offence only. Despite the subject matter.

So not technically a sexual offence then. Oh good

And I didn't say "probably", "technically" it's not an offence.

I said it is not an offence.
Full stop.

Please stop derailing the thread arguing the law when you are so profoundly ignorant of the law.

So a woman is defined as 'going about being a woman', Sky News have a department devoted to tracking down Posey Parker's takedown of Adrian Harop, it's, um, illegal to warn women about a 26-year-old violent flasher and women defending their boundaries are 'monstrous'.

As I said it's just comedy now.

Although, I have to say, telling s woman who corrects your, let's be charitable and call them inaccuracies, that she needs to 'examine her behaviour', probably tops the lot.

Still wondering under what circumstances women can exclude people born male without it being monstrous tho.

Getting back to the main point of this thread, any man should use sex specific facilities when it comes to toilets or changing rooms. I do not consent to men, even the really nice, non-flasher ones to be in my women's only spaces. Even if that man is described as a kid.

Still thinking🤔.. maybe menstrual huts. Not monstrous to exclude them from there?

@CharlieParley

And I didn't say "probably", "technically" it's not an offence.

I said it is not an offence.
Full stop.

Please stop derailing the thread arguing the law when you are so profoundly ignorant of the law.

Not an offence in the UK perhaps, in Canada however

"In Canada, it is against the criminal law for anyone to…

Show a picture of someone else, who is privately doing a sexual act, is naked or exposing an intimate body part, without that person’s permission."

owjn.org/2019/05/sexting-and-the-law-about-sharing-intimate-images/#:~:text=If%20you%20are%20taking%20or,part%2C%20without%20that%20person's%20permission.

Oh I examine my behaviour all the time.
Could I do better?
Could I do more?

Should I do more?

Given that I'm one of the women directly harmed by certain VAWG sector organisations publicly decrying their own foundational core values of delivering trauma-based services to female victims of male violence I do ask myself that a lot.

Am I making my recovery more difficult by standing up for women's rights? Would it be better to work on the PTSD I only developed because I couldn't access help when I needed it? My need for a female-only service has been branded hateful, transphobic, discriminatory and exclusionary. Am I? Even if the answer is yes, I don't much fancy being re-educated out of my survival instincts and my involuntary, frequently physiological trauma reactions to the presence of males where I think I'm in a safe, female-only space. That sounds like a really terrible idea.

And I ask myself WTF is wrong with me that I cannot shake this off after ignoring the trauma all my adult life. I actually feel fucking guilty that I've let male violence affect me to this extent. Weak.

So yeah, I examine my behaviour. Do you?

An exhibitionist posted naked pictures of himself on the internet and boasted about walking around with a visible erection in a women's shelter, and you're arguing that it's the women who make this information public to warn others about this individual who are committing an offence?

Really, jj, take a step back and think about what you're saying.

Wow did that male homeless person indulge in a sexual act in s female only homeless shelter!! Hope they were thrown out as surely no responsible managers of such shelters would expose their female service users to such abuse! Surely not..

💐 Charlie.

I hope you take solace from the fact that it's not always necessary for people like jj to examine their behaviour, they merely need to demonstrate it.

And job done, I would say.

Charley

Anyone who has worked in a refuge or hostel for a start, I guarantee it.

I promise you that anyone who works in a female only refuge/hostel would think that was bullshit.

As I said it's just comedy now

It would be but somehow I can't summon up a laugh.

Having said that there urgently needs to be more funding for accommodation of all types, including single sex projects which are vital for some women.

Why is that, jj?

Rules of misogyny #10

The worst thing about male violence is it makes men look bad.

to all women affected by dv, homelessness and trauma, and especially those being gaslit into thinking they are somehow wrong for wanting female only spaces.

It's the classic abuser's gaslighting technique, isn't it, Arabella.

"I never did that, and if I did, it was only because you made me do it, so really you're the one who's the abuser."

It is perfectly reasonable for women fleeing domestic violence (perpetrated by men) and sexual abuse (perpetrated by men) to want a space free of men, particularly free of men who get a hard on at the thought of being in a space where women don't want them, and feel sufficiently confident that their boundary violations won't be stopped that they feel comfortable posting about their own behaviour on social media for the whole world to see - in fact, more than feel comfortable, actually use this outlet for exhibitionism as an additional source of sexual gratification.

Anyone who sides with the men in this situation is ... most peculiar in their outlook on the world. And I think we can all see that. This thread may feel like it's circling the drain, but it's doing so in a way that is illuminating for lurkers, I think.

If anyone wanted to see a good case of DARVO being played out then jj provides an excellent example of it. So transparent.

@CaraDuneRedux

Anyone who sides with the men in this situation is ... most peculiar in their outlook on the world. And I think we can all see that. This thread may feel like it's circling the drain, but it's doing so in a way that is illuminating for lurkers, I think.

I'm siding with the women working in that shelter who clearly find the behaviour of GC activists repellent in this situation, as would anyone who has worked in homelessness, refuges or mental health. It seems some couldn't care less about the professional views of the women actually doing this very difficult work on the frontline.

It's not siding with the men to recognise that sharing intimate sexual photographs of someone without their consent is firstly a crime under Canadian law and secondly, utterly reprehensible whatever you might think they have done, and there is no evidence whatsoever she has committed a crime or illegally exposed herself to anyone. If this person wasn't homeless there would be lawsuits, take down notices and possible criminal charges flying about. The only reason anyone has been able to get away with this is that she's poor and as such is unlikely to sue or press charges. If you think normalising and defending this kind of sexually abusive behaviour makes women safer then I have no words and I will leave you to enjoy your slide into obscurity as more and more people see what is not just tolerated but actively defended in gender critical circles.