Accessible Toilets

[WarOnWomen]

I've just seen this thread by Fair Play for Women regarding their stance on toilets. Maya F is also on the thread clarifying the issue.

twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1312062467191734273?s=21

They are saying that everyone should be comfortable choosing the toilets they want to without being forced to share with opposite sex. Yup. Trans people should also not have to share with people designated at birth. Yup, also agree. Have a mix sex category for people who don't mind and trans people. Sure.

They are saying these facilities already exist. Accessible toilets. This is where I feel lost and let down. These toilets are for disabled people. People worked hard to get these accessible toilets. I don't want my mum having to share these toilets with trans women, anymore than I want them in female spaces. It's just wrong. And don't disabled people have a say as part of the EA2010?

Please tell me I have the wrong end of the stick.

How very dare the women who set up the system complain that it is now unavailable to the women and children it was made for.

@Thelnebriati

How very dare the women who set up the system complain that it is now unavailable to the women and children it was made for.

Well quite!

GC activists repellent in this situation, as would anyone who has worked in homelessness, refuges or mental health. It seems some couldn't care less about the professional views of the women actually doing this very difficult work on the frontline.

I work across all those fields as a professional. And as a professional who cares about safeguarding, I would be very concerned about any workers who took your lackadaisical position on the safety of women.

It's not siding with the men to recognise that sharing intimate sexual photographs of someone without their consent is firstly a crime under Canadian law and secondly, utterly reprehensible whatever you might think they have done,

This person posted the pictures up on social media themselves along with their comments about it. If this is illegal under Canadian law to post obscene images of themselves, then they should be prosecuted for doing so. I hope they are.

Idly wonders whether that refuge has children as well as their mothers being exposed to this charmer? Although looking back, ignorance and not caring about safeguarding children and denying its importance is being seen repeatedly at the moment - on some threads on here and even in our courts!

I have no words and I will leave you to enjoy your slide into obscurity as more and more people see what is not just tolerated but actively defended in gender critical circles.

Well, it's a good job that the government have listened to all these 'gender critical circles' and have given advice about preserving sex segregation then.

Along with advice on how to stop bullying women and children who object to their boundaries being violated and forcing lobby groups to provide evidence of gender identity, without recourse to anything to do with gender stereotypes.

The days of a violent man being able to flash in a women's shelter are coming to an end.

And I'm surprised that you have 'no words'. Although I'm unsurprised that none of them worked the way you were anticipating.

You are saying that we are not acknowledging the vulnerability of this person. That's not true. Most rapists, sexual abusers, murderers are vulnerable themselves. Name any notorious killer and I am sure you would find a person whose psychology is shaped by pain and abuse and trauma.

We simply don't think that excuses the abuse those people inflict on others. And it certainly doesn't mean that we fail to safeguard others from that abuse. You are the one refusing to acknowledge that. I suppose it suits your aims in some way. It's psychopathic though.

@karenkanta

It's not siding with the men to recognise that sharing intimate sexual photographs of someone without their consent is firstly a crime under Canadian law and secondly, utterly reprehensible whatever you might think they have done,

This person posted the pictures up on social media themselves along with their comments about it. If this is illegal under Canadian law to post obscene images of themselves, then they should be prosecuted for doing so. I hope they are.

It is illegal to share intimate or sexual photographs of another person without their consent in Canada. It's perfectly legal for people to share intimate photos of themselves.

It's also completely legal in Canada for a man who wants to help 10-year-old girls insert their tampons, to take six women to court because they don't want to touch his penis.

It's hardly bolstering your argument that this is not a violation of women's boundaries.

@EvenSupposing

You are saying that we are not acknowledging the vulnerability of this person. That's not true. Most rapists, sexual abusers, murderers are vulnerable themselves. Name any notorious killer and I am sure you would find a person whose psychology is shaped by pain and abuse and trauma.

We simply don't think that excuses the abuse those people inflict on others. And it certainly doesn't mean that we fail to safeguard others from that abuse. You are the one refusing to acknowledge that. I suppose it suits your aims in some way. It's psychopathic though.

You are saying that we are not acknowledging the vulnerability of this person. That's not true. Most rapists, sexual abusers, murderers are vulnerable themselves. Name any notorious killer and I am sure you would find a person whose psychology is shaped by pain and abuse and trauma.

But we don't sexually humiliate them after judging them guilty based on a couple of tweets in an online kangaroo court do we.

Women warning other women about their sexual humiliation at the hands of a violent flasher, accused of sexual humiliation of said flasher.

You're doing such a sterling job JJ.

@karenkanta

GC activists repellent in this situation, as would anyone who has worked in homelessness, refuges or mental health. It seems some couldn't care less about the professional views of the women actually doing this very difficult work on the frontline.

I work across all those fields as a professional. And as a professional who cares about safeguarding, I would be very concerned about any workers who took your lackadaisical position on the safety of women.

If you support sharing intimate sexual photographs online of a vulnerable homeless adult who may have a mental health condition as some kind of kangaroo court punishment based on a couple of vague tweets then I'm sorry, but I question your professionalism. Because I'm sure you know, if you did that as a worker, you would be immediately sacked for gross misconduct.

If this person had been in the correct shelter for their sex there would have been no photos. Moreover I would not be sympathising with the women running this shelter as they caused this problem by allowing this male person to share intimate spaces with vulnerable homeless women.

@334bu

If this person had been in the correct shelter for their sex there would have been no photos. Moreover I would not be sympathising with the women running this shelter as they caused this problem by allowing this male person to share intimate spaces with vulnerable homeless women.

That person probably had no choice about where to live. You don't seem to understand what homeless means.

He took his own frigging photo and he's 23! And the photo proves what women have been saying but they are not allowed to demonstrate that because it proves what they have been saying it's meeeeeeeean.

And women aren't in any danger but when they clearly are the person who is dangerous to them is terribly vulnerable and must be protected.

That person probably had no choice about where to live. You don't seem to understand what homeless means

If there's no other makes there then there's alternatives for makes isnt there. They are all in mens shelters or mixed sex ones.

I ask again. Is there an acceptable way to highlight and prove to the point you will accept there's an issue ?

You don't believe women telling you and you don't like the photographic evidence.

What would you accept?

Kangaroo Court punishment? Bet that straw's itchy.

Predatory, violent man sexually humiliates vulnerable women, and boasts about it. Other men criticise the women over it, and criticise other women who talk about it. It's amazing what some people enjoy.

This was a female homeless shelter or am I mistaken? If it was a mixed sex facility my apologies but if female only why was this person there,?

@Whatwouldscullydo

That person probably had no choice about where to live. You don't seem to understand what homeless means

If there's no other makes there then there's alternatives for makes isnt there. They are all in mens shelters or mixed sex ones.

I ask again. Is there an acceptable way to highlight and prove to the point you will accept there's an issue ?

You don't believe women telling you and you don't like the photographic evidence.

What would you accept?

It's quite possible the men's shelters were full, or more likely that they wouldn't accept a trans woman.

And yes, there is an acceptable way, the same way any publication would, which would be to run the story without a name until at least arrests were made and without illegally sharing a sexual photo. However in this case, the fact there were no prospects of arrests because there is no evidence a crime has been committed is why no respectable publication touched the story.

The man posted it himself.

@334bu

This was a female homeless shelter or am I mistaken? If it was a mixed sex facility my apologies but if female only why was this person there,?

Because they accept women on the basis of self identification as it says on their website. And they are totally within their rights to do that unless you think trans inclusion should be banned, which would seem a somewhat strange decision given mixed sex shelters are legal.

But there's a problem no?

Women were placed with an unstable and violent male who implied felt wished to expose themselves to the women there.

Not exactly a case for promoting "inclusion" is it.

And its hardly the womens fault they posted pictures of their election in the sodding interbet

Why are you refusing to sympathise with them because someone else shared a photo .

You are unbelievable

Why are the men's shelters allowed to discriminate against some males surely that is discriminatory?

@Datun

The man posted it himself.

And you all shared it. Which is a criminal offence under Canadian law and I think rightly so. I don't think just because someone posts an intimate picture on their personal social media account it should immediately become public property. I don't think that is a situation that is good for women, it's verging on illegal in the UK and is a crime in many other countries as well.

334bu it is a crisis shelter for women, however, Canada has Self-Id whereby anyone can claim to be a woman along the lines of the woolly, nonsense definition given by jj1968. We are constantly and consistently told by the likes of jj1968 that there are NO problems in countries that have embraced Self-Id, women are not being negatively impacted, harmed, abused, degraded, etc., etc. Swathes of evidence to the contrary is dismissed and DARVO'd at women as jj1968 has done. As I said before jj1968 detests women, whatever harms befall them jj1968 doesn't care in fact they go further than that and blame them for it whilst lauding the perpetrator.