Simulated pregnancy and induced lactation

[GingerAndTheBiscuits]

Should possibly come with all sorts of trigger/content warnings.

DH just sent me this:

twitter.com/godblesstoto/status/1311050509072113664?s=20

TW simulating pregnancy and birth (in a house where their STBEx-wife and children live), already “planning” that the baby will be stillborn, and then wondering aloud if someone will lend them a baby to breastfeed.

All in a group for mothers taking medication so they can produce milk for their babies. Given how poor breastfeeding support is for many mothers in all parts of the world I can’t work out whether I’m more offended, disgusted, or terrified that this person has centred themselves and has people cheering them on.

DH questioned why women were commenting in support - I said it was part of the socialisation to “be nice”. His response was that it’s not being nice, it’s dangerous. And he’s right, but why can so many women not see it? Does it go beyond socialisation? According to other posts in the thread women were removed from the group for saying the person’s post was offensive/triggering to those who had experienced the loss of a child.

I don’t even know why I’m posting it really, other than I was so agog and this is one of the few places open to comment on things since I abandoned twitter

@GingerAndTheBiscuits

Maybe an episiotomy could be thrown in, for a more authentic experience?

Absolutely I couldn’t sit comfortably for 6 months.

@HDDD

Those people 'being kind' to this person are enabling his illness

Absolutely this.

This is just non consensual fetish play involving a bunch of kind hearted women who didn’t agree to be fap fuel. Wtf.

They're not kind hearted, they are virtue signalling their wokeness and open mindedness. Kindhearted people wouldn't have driven a woman who had actually had a stillborn baby out of a support group, and they would have been more sensitive to her very reasonable objection to this male fantasy.

Imagine how all the lurkers in that group must be feeling. Imagine having your safe space for grieving turned into... that.

(also what the fuck was in that jar I didn't even want to click on the thumbnail 🤮🤮 i just hope to god no one was offering to feed it to their baby.)

@Ereshkigalangcleg

This is just non consensual fetish play involving a bunch of kind hearted women who didn’t agree to be fap fuel. Wtf.

They're not kind hearted, they are virtue signalling their wokeness and open mindedness. Kindhearted people wouldn't have driven a woman who had actually had a stillborn baby out of a support group, and they would have been more sensitive to her very reasonable objection to this male fantasy.

Yep! It takes a special kind of nasty to do that.

“Off you go with grief from experiencing a real still birth so we can pander to the mentally ill man in the room”

Yep! It takes a special kind of nasty to do that.

They are Umbridges.

I find myself thinking anew about Umbridge's love of kitten themed art. I don't think I appreciated at the time how great JKR's portrayal was. The whole theme of "this is what rising authoritarianism looks like" went over my head a bit. Unfortunately circumstances have forced me to get it.

And the kittens! Just deny very hard that nasty, bad things exist in the world, insulate yourself from the consequences of the nastiness you're denying by throwing others under the bus, and use twee, childish art as a reminder to yourself that you are a good kind person and that people who tell uncomfortable truths are the bad guys. It could have been rainbows and unicorns just as easily.

Driving a mother from the group who had suffered the utterly inconceivably heartbreaking trauma of a stillbirth, they are not good people. Disgusting. I hope she found more support elsewhere.

@ComeONreally

Ew I don’t ever remember my milk being brown sludge

Nope. I’ve just finished breastfeeding at 18 months and my milk never looked like that.

@Haworthia

This is just non consensual fetish play involving a bunch of kind hearted women who didn’t agree to be fap fuel.

Indeed.

And I can’t help but draw parallels with all the Mumsnetters who get drawn into dodgy threads sharing anecdotes about poo, urine, periods and teenage girls with massive breasts 🤦‍♀️

I feel bad for the colleagues: essentially they're being sexually harassed, having to cater to a fetish in the workplace, but if they complain they'll be the ones in trouble. It's like if a creepy old boss were flashing at his colleagues or pestering them to talk about inappropriate topics, he's not actually touching them but he's using them for sexual gratification that they've not consented to, and they're under pressure to toe the line because their jobs depend on it.

@WishIWasSomewhereElse

He's managed to pump milk (apparently). Lots of comments saying he has managed more than any biological woman has managed this soon after birth. Lots of comments saying he's managed to produce colostrum (which you don't get if you haven't given birth apparently), which means he's better at 'womaning' than natal ladies.

Mine looked a bit like that a few months after I stopped breastfeeding DS and I got terrible mastitis. Very little of what was coming out of nipples at that point was milk.

Really, really hope that whatever is being produced never gets fed to a baby.

The absolute disdain for women there. Good grief.

Perhaps he's going to claim to have mastitis.

Them taking two weeks off work got me thinking...
We've self id here in Ireland. I would actually LOVE it if an Irish employee told their workplace that they are a trans woman, that they are pregnant and therefore fully entitled to paid antenatal visits, paid maternity leave and /or statutory maternity benefit.

Many employers are at pains to tell their staff that TWAW and that female bathrooms, female changing rooms are their spaces too, and that even suggesting that they may be anything other than a woman is discriminatory and may be subject to disciplinary proceedings, so I'd love to see some HR eejit's head explode with this crash between two protected work categories.

When you think of it, why not? We've got trans women legally forcing beauticians to wax body parts they don't physically possess, prisons, hospital wards etc also acknowldge TWAW so surely if a trans woman wants to have a pregnancy, just like any other woman, all the employee protections and financial benefits also apply?

FWIW, Maternity benefit is €245 per week for 26 weeks so works out at €6,370 (About £6,800 GBP) and many employers actually top that up to your take home pay, and all you need to Self ID here is fill out a 2 page form...

Fetishing not just women's reproductive capacity but women's grief. Asking women to share their experiences of pregnancy loss so he can act them out for his satisfaction.

If they treated Gabrielle like a woman, they'd tell her to get help and send her links to psychiatric services, and then probably close comments

I don't think they'd all be so kind as even that: wouldn't a lot of women who've actually miscarried or had a still birth be utterly enraged & angry with a real woman who came into such a site and talked about faking a still birth? I could imagine her being torn to pieces.

NOT because women are bitchy to other women, but because the women would (rightly) see a woman faking a still birth as cruel -taunting or parodying their real suffering.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

This is just non consensual fetish play involving a bunch of kind hearted women who didn’t agree to be fap fuel. Wtf.

They're not kind hearted, they are virtue signalling their wokeness and open mindedness. Kindhearted people wouldn't have driven a woman who had actually had a stillborn baby out of a support group, and they would have been more sensitive to her very reasonable objection to this male fantasy.

Yes, this.

It isn't kind to prioritse the feelings of this person over women in the group who are suffering very real grief. It isn't 'kind' to throw any women out of the group for having an opinion and opposing this. Obviously she wasn't the only one or the posts wouldn't have been taken from the group and set free around the internet. Still it exposes one aspect of a fetish and it actually isn't an uncommon fetish in AGP (It even has its own name which someone may have posted before me and which I can't remember).

As posters have said previously if it was another woman doing this she would receive ver short shrift. Look at threads on AIBU here and on other parenting boards when people even moan about their pregnancies. If it was another woman doing this it would be seen for what it was and there would be strong objections to dismissing the pain of other women in the play-acting

I can't really read this thread because it makes me literally feel nauseous. If Ed Gein had been alive today, women would offer to give him sewing lessons

@Ereshkigalangcleg

This is just non consensual fetish play involving a bunch of kind hearted women who didn’t agree to be fap fuel. Wtf.

They're not kind hearted, they are virtue signalling their wokeness and open mindedness. Kindhearted people wouldn't have driven a woman who had actually had a stillborn baby out of a support group, and they would have been more sensitive to her very reasonable objection to this male fantasy.

There are some women, I believe, who feel flattered by men wanting to 'do' womanhood.

Maybe, to them, it feels like someone is finally taking notice.

But this, is not it.

Exiling a woman who has actually suffered from the thing that a man is pretending he has, to validate him is a whole new fucking level.

They are beneath contempt.

I think this amply demonstrates that there is nothing they won't appropriate. Nothing. The only solution is to shut the door on the entire thing.

The GRA must be repealed and the categories of the Equality Act amended accordingly.

That pumped "milk" reminds me of when my abcess burst. Maybe I am "better" than real women as I produced "milk" out of my thigh.

You know what is a MASSIVE part of being a woman? Not having things go your way in regards to fertility, childbirth, and postnatal care. This person can fucking fuck off. I don't know if I know a single woman who had the ~birth experience~ they wanted, but we just have to fucking crack on, because we are women, mothers, and that's the deal life has dealt us.
I'd love to see their reaction if this person has some real childbirth injuries inflicted on them in the name of their process, and then they were constantly gaslit by their medical providers for MONTHS who said there was nothing wrong, whilst actually having significant injuries. Bet they don't want that part of the (shockingly common) female experience.

The individual in question is now having a right old moan that it 'didn't go to plan' because it didn't last long enough and 'wasn't painful enough' (of course they boast about their high pain threshold - much higher than us silly dainty wimmins'!)

There's been a few people saying that it's not fair to discuss this person because it's making generalisations about trans people in general. I don't think anyone is suggesting this behaviour is usual for trans people. Rather, for me, this is relevant because this person is ONLY getting a free pass of their disgusting behaviour because they are trans. The question is why does being trans seemingly equal a free pass to behave in incredibly messed up ways?

“If you can be anything in this world, be a dick-pandering idiot.”