Another one for Irish Feminists - this person holds a GRC and might soon be held in Dochas prison with women and childrem

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This is a harrowing read.
I feel immensely sorry for the child that was. However I feel more frightened for the women and children G might be incarcerated with.

@frogswimming

Could someone send me a copy of the email they sent their TD?

There are examples upthread. I just checked Joan Collins profile online, as she has been reprimanded for using the f word during parliamentary debate, I am not overly surprised at her response. She clearly didn't even read my email properly as she completely missed the points I was making.

Thanks, I looked up those templates and then wrote my own email. I would worry templates just get lumped into one by the researchers who probably answer TDs mails. Also likely to be younger woke types who just cut and paste replies. I doubt the TDs even read these emails. Still it's worth a try.

I've emailed my fg, ff, and sd TD. Didn't even bother with the sf one and not sure whether I'll email the labour one.

I also mentioned about the removal of 'women' from HSE cervical screening info.

@SecondRow

OMG Runners! That is shocking! You must be incandescent.

More shocked at the language used than anything else. I fully expect there will be people that disagree, but the whole tone of her email was extremely aggressive, and highly unprofessional.

@Runneros - if you want to publicise it you could pass it on to the Radcailin team or to the Countess Team. Or if you want one of us could email her (I didn't include her on my list as it would be akin to wasting energy and bandwidth) and publicise the response. I really think people like that who are TD should be called out on using that kind of language in a response to a genuine query (or any query really, but I realise I am old fashioned in my manners expectations).

That Limerick leader article gives zero indication of what this person has already done.

Also they say they are awaiting trial for threats to kill but I thought it was sexual assault as well, against more than one woman.

I wonder why they didn't mention that

[quote Glinnerisgreat]@Runneros - if you want to publicise it you could pass it on to the Radcailin team or to the Countess Team. Or if you want one of us could email her (I didn't include her on my list as it would be akin to wasting energy and bandwidth) and publicise the response. I really think people like that who are TD should be called out on using that kind of language in a response to a genuine query (or any query really, but I realise I am old fashioned in my manners expectations).[/quote]
Thanks. I might do that. I genuinely have no problem with anyone having a different opinion, but all that it required was an explanation of her opinion.
I cannot understand why so many people that support this ideology are so aggressive.

NiceGerbil, my understanding was he had already served time in the young offenders institute for previous assaults. There were then proceedings about keeping him in a form of special care. Then he turned 18 last year. I think he is now being prosecuted for offences committed as an adult, namely the threats to kill.

twitter.com/jimfitzpatrick/status/1310187868598525954?s=20

Joan Collins TD retweeted this ⬆️. Women should have toilets and safe working conditions but not safe prisons?

[quote Oncewasblueandlangtoo]There is a bill, currently before Seanad Éireann, the 3rd stage, to allow 16 year olds to self ID and to "ensure consideration of the status of non-binary persons in Irish law"

www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2017/43/?tab=bill-text[/quote]
FFS

I'm sure the thing I read said this person was being prosecuted for sexual assaults against more than one woman, and had made two threats to kill against one of them as well.

@SecondRow

twitter.com/jimfitzpatrick/status/1310187868598525954?s=20

Joan Collins TD retweeted this ⬆️. Women should have toilets and safe working conditions but not safe prisons?

Thanks Second Row. I presume as TWAW she doesn't see a problem. When you resort to name calling you have already lost the argument.

Yeah Runners. All she had to reply to you was whether she would be doing anything about your issue as a TD, or not.

Anyway, here's a comment from Limerick Feminist Network
m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1374030282792034&id=200644053464002

[quote SecondRow]Yeah Runners. All she had to reply to you was whether she would be doing anything about your issue as a TD, or not.

Anyway, here's a comment from Limerick Feminist Network
m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1374030282792034&id=200644053464002[/quote]
A feminist group that places women as a subcategory of women are not a feminist group.
Clearly a convicted sex offender, with multiple convictions, is a threat to women. Anyone that denies that has lost the plot.
They seem more annoyed that they weren't contacted for comment than anything else.
Considering that nobody has ever heard of them, it was unlikely to happen

Runners I’m feckin raging that an elected representative would amount to name calling. I’m not in JC constituency but I wonder are any more women here? Get more to write to her to show her abuse?

[quote Glinnerisgreat]@Runnersos - I have just had a response from Ivana Bacik. It lists her history of feminist activism and states that she was involved in the GRA act (I knew this already). She said that she has received a lot of similar letters from women on this and will be raising it with the relevant authorities. A bit plamasy and not really saying yes or no to me, but more than I expected seeing as there was a risk I would publish it.

However, what is shows is numbers count - the only thing a TD cares about is the number of people irate at a particular issue. So we need way, way, more women writing these letters.

Please, everyone, get your friends and family involved to write - the number of letters from women will determine the actions to follow.

We have crossed the rubicon here ladies and there is no going back until the GRA is totally repealed (the irony!!!).[/quote]
I received a reply from Ivana. It sounds identical to yours. At least she acknowledged the issues and the need to balance rights.
And she was polite.

Is one of you called Margaret? I just received a reply from Jennifer Carroll MacNeil addressed to Margaret (not my name) and saying they will pass my concerns onto Jennifer, even though reply was from Jennifer .

She is new Fine Gael equality spokesperson.

Limerick Feminist Collective: Trans women are not a threat to cis women... The notion that cis men are pretending to identify as female, changing their names and obtaining certificates of gender recognition just to get access to abuse and victimise women is not only ludicrous but completely inaccurate and a narrative that makes trans women incredibly unsafe.

How is it POSSIBLE for that to be the response to this occurrence. HOW. IDGAF about Barbie's gender identity, but even if you're a gender identity believer you must concede that he's either a "trans woman" or "a cis man pretending to be a trans woman."

If trans women are not a threat, and cis men don't pretend to be trans women, then I guess the only logical conclusion is that women aren't actually under threat when they have clumps of their scalp torn away and their eyelids scratched off. It's a small sacrifice to make for trans inclusion!

See attached photo of Limerick Feminist Collective having a meeting.

@Glinnerisgreat

Second reply received - from Jennifer Carroll MacNeill - I note the concerns you have raised with me and thank you for raising them - wow, what a no comment reply. I had expected a lot more from her based on other work she has done.

Based on past experience that's often the kind of reply you get when their support person is dealing with their correspondence but I would expect them to make it clear who was writing back to you. Would you write back and challenge the reply on the basis that you expect more from her based on her background and work done. Getting a rote reply doesn't mean you have to let it go at that ;-)

Never not ever? Even when there is no checks and balances against bad people saying things and pretending?

Wow. I admire their optimism.

@Runnersos

Well I received areply from Joan Collins TD, which was so appalling that I am completely shocked that any public representative would send out to a member of the public. Basically she called me mean spirited, base, an oppressor,, and that I was using slurs and insinuations. She also said I used many characterisations of trans people as sex offenders, which I didn't. Finally she accused me of being homophobic. Truly, truly appalling. I get the feeling she thinks I am a TERF

I am so tired of the stupidity of this argument.

Of course transwomen aren't all sex offenders - but all transwomen are male.

Of course all males aren't sex offenders - but almost all sex offenders are male.

People will on the one hand trumpet loudly that VAWG is a male problem - and then pearl-clutch and shriek at any suggestion that male people, posing the standard male risk, should be placed in the same risk category as all other males. Because women don't matter when male women are in the picture, for some reason (that, heaven forfend, is in no way sexism).

All women are equal, but male women are more equal than others. But it's not sexist. Oh no.

Hold on so they are asserting categorically that Barbie is NOT a threat to women!

Phew! We can all relax.

They need to get the charges against Barbie dropped now obviously.

@Kantastic

Limerick Feminist Collective: Trans women are not a threat to cis women... The notion that cis men are pretending to identify as female, changing their names and obtaining certificates of gender recognition just to get access to abuse and victimise women is not only ludicrous but completely inaccurate and a narrative that makes trans women incredibly unsafe.

How is it POSSIBLE for that to be the response to this occurrence. HOW. IDGAF about Barbie's gender identity, but even if you're a gender identity believer you must concede that he's either a "trans woman" or "a cis man pretending to be a trans woman."

If trans women are not a threat, and cis men don't pretend to be trans women, then I guess the only logical conclusion is that women aren't actually under threat when they have clumps of their scalp torn away and their eyelids scratched off. It's a small sacrifice to make for trans inclusion!

See attached photo of Limerick Feminist Collective having a meeting.

Trans women pose the exact same risk as any other male. No more, no less. The data is clear.

If the Limerick Feminist Collective don't think male people pose any elevated risk to female people, what are they for? Why do we need feminism?

Again, the stupidity of this argument is really exasperating.

A feminist group that places women as a subcategory of women are not a feminist group

I agree 100% but that's the flavour of Irish "feminist" groups these days (the post-Repeal hijacking of Irish feminism). If politicians are called upon to get input from Irish women where are they going to go? NWCI? Where do they go and who do they talk to? Right now they can maintain they get input from women's organisations. The level of infiltration is terrifying.

I have had a couple of "I'll pass your email on" responses from parliamentary assistants. Micheal Martin's office has forwarded my email to Helen McEntee. I got the same reply from Ivana, so went back to her thanking her for her work to date and agreeing that the balance of rights is the crux. Fingers crossed she's listening, she's a smart and dedicated woman and I really admire her. I got a reply from Rape Crisis saying they will forward my email to Noeline Blackwell. I haven't got anything from Joan Collins. I'm not a constituent and didn't say I was so she migt ignore me. Much like my own local TDs are so far .

Limerick Feminist Collectice are a disgrace.

[quote SecondRow]Yeah Runners. All she had to reply to you was whether she would be doing anything about your issue as a TD, or not.

Anyway, here's a comment from Limerick Feminist Network
m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1374030282792034&id=200644053464002[/quote]
They owe an apology to the child that the transman in Limerick Women’s Prison sexually assaulted. A child!
They owe an apology to the women that the same transman sexually assaulted.
They owe an apology to the care worker assaulted by Barbie Kardashian, to the two others Barbie inflected sexual assaults upon.
Reprehensible.