Another one for Irish Feminists - this person holds a GRC and might soon be held in Dochas prison with women and childrem

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This is a harrowing read.
I feel immensely sorry for the child that was. However I feel more frightened for the women and children G might be incarcerated with.

I am not a constituent of Joan Collins either. But I didn't say I was in my email. It was an email I sent out to highlight the issues and to make the TDs realise that this was not as straightforward as it looked. That self IID mpacted other people and this needed to be considered.

So, what they are saying is that is that if a man 'identifies as a woman' (is into magic think in my mind) all threat has been magically dissolved.

Despite efforts to falsify records as a woman's crime when the purported angelic entities which are transwomen attack and rape women, some incidents have been publicised despite attempts to cover up.

And actually, it is enough that women are distressed or discomforted, never mind potentially under threat of assault from natal males. That TD above said women in prison don't deserve to be safe. Why are they going to the ends of the earth to pander to (what I believe) are delusions and simply desires for Transwomen. Walking over women to do it.

So this homicidal misogynist is no threat to women. When women are the only people they have attacked. When they have stated they wanted to rape and kill. That is what that 'Limerick Feminist (sic) Collective' have the bare faced gall to try and falsely sneer at women's concerns. Like every accomplice who covered up and shoved abusers along to do it again. Dismantling safeguarding from people who cannot protect themselves. The are beneath contempt.

In fact, if the percentage of non-transwomen identifying male offenders in prison who have committed sexual crimes is normally 20%, and the percentage of transwomen in prison who have committed sexual crimes is 50% or over, then the figures would lead you to the opposite conclusion. And don't forget those figures may be not the full number as tranwomen's sexual crimes may be put under female crimes.

These percentages are on these boards.

@frogswimming

Is one of you called Margaret? I just received a reply from Jennifer Carroll MacNeil addressed to Margaret (not my name) and saying they will pass my concerns onto Jennifer, even though reply was from Jennifer .

She is new Fine Gael equality spokesperson.

Yes!!! So glad I name changed for all of this!

They've deleted comments on that FB post too, I read one highly critical of their nonsense then it was gone. FB shows me there's 4 comments now but when I click I see 2.

Yes I will follow up on that. Especially since I now seem to be the name they use to reply to everyone 😂😂😂

"Is one of you called Margaret? I just received a reply from Jennifer Carroll MacNeil addressed to Margaret (not my name) and saying they will pass my concerns onto Jennifer, even though reply was from Jennifer .

She is new Fine Gael equality spokesperson."

"Yes!!! So glad I name changed for all of this!"

The assistant must be getting a bit flustered with the cut and paste!!

Sorry I’m not in Ireland but have you seen this mobile.twitter.com/elisaodonovan/status/1311708313172803584 from a councillor in the area?

When I raised concerns that the law as it stands could be abused by sexual predators who would use it to their advantage ( I wasn't saying trans people were sexual predators). This was the reply

"The trans community like all other communities will have a proportion of people within it who will commit heinous crimes. That is what the criminal law is there for. We can not and must not stigmatise them as a community with a predilection towards sex crimes"

Do yes heinous crimes may happen, and the law will deal with them??
Is that supposed to be a comfort to the victims of the heinous crimes. Its better to have women as collateral damage than cause a stigma?

We can not and must not stigmatise them as a community with a predilection towards sex crimes

Are we still permited to stigmatise men in general as a community with a predilection towards sex crimes? Or is barring that the next step?

(We're not making any claims about "the trans community", we're making claims about "the male community". Trans status is irrelevant.)

@Iamanaubergine

Sorry I’m not in Ireland but have you seen this mobile.twitter.com/elisaodonovan/status/1311708313172803584 from a councillor in the area?

Did you see what she said about it earlier??I’ve got no idea what is wrong with her.

Totally out of order for a political representative. I wonder what her constituents think.

The replies on that tweet are heartening...people aren’t buying this crap. I can see common sense breaking through.

Absolutely. Is the tide turning in Ireland too. I thought it was a lost cause (not that the general public had any idea of what was going on)

Feminists sneering at women who are concerned about women at risk. Nice look. Real nice.

Well I think we can see from the Twitter thread - and I’ve only ever read 4 Twitter threads in my life - that the tide in Limerick has turned (that is if it was ever on the woke side and I am not sure it was). Does this mean some broadcast journalist will cover it? Could we get it on Prime Time - I think that is what middle Ireland watches.

@notyourhandmaid

Feminists sneering at women who are concerned about women at risk. Nice look. Real nice.

Well that’s not going to date at all is it? And the Internet never forgets. So good luck with that ladies!

@Glinnerisgreat

Well I think we can see from the Twitter thread - and I’ve only ever read 4 Twitter threads in my life - that the tide in Limerick has turned (that is if it was ever on the woke side and I am not sure it was). Does this mean some broadcast journalist will cover it? Could we get it on Prime Time - I think that is what middle Ireland watches.

I don't think the people of Limerick would ever be into this nonsense. So we have one TD saying yes "heinous" crime could happen but rather than tightening up loopholes that facilitates this, it is more important that any stigma around being trans is stopped. The problem is that the stigma will get worse as the worst type of criminals are abusing this law at the expense of trans people and women. Then we have a Councillor who is so anxious to earn woke points, that she is more concerned about a trans person being dead named, than a violent male bodied person being locked into the same building as an already marginalised group of women. But the replies to the councillor are great to see.

The LImerick Feminist Collective sounds like a page right out of trans activists rule book, with no critical thinking behind it and possibly no thinking at all but the desire to look virtuous.

The question, to ask them, obviously would be why a feminist collective would even be needed when 'woman' has become a bundle of character types or a label anyone can stick on.

The discrimination women face is based on sex, after all, so if sex is immaterial, then we are going to let that particular kind of discrimination continue where it is prevalent and freely return where it is now held under the surface by feminist pressure.

I also really enjoy that queer theory language which is parroted without analysis. So trans women must not feel unsafe and must be included, and neither word is what they think they are. Natal women, however, can be made to feel as unsafe as anyone wants to and their views about their own gender can be invalidated and all troublesome ones can be excluded.

I get the feeling that the group consists of very young women and lots of genderists.

and I would guess a lot who signed or supported that "Terfs out" letter.

I find it totally bizarre that faced with Barbie

They state unequivocally that no transwomen are a threat to women full stop.

I mean clearly Barbie is a threat to women... I just don't get where they're coming from.

At all.

Interesting read from another thread. Women have rights, UN declaration backing.

womensdeclaration.com/en/

Also on other thread, The Yogyakarta Principles are not worth the paper on which they are written. That document has no legal weight. It is nothing more than a wish list. It can be ignored.

It is the specifically the Yogyakarta Principle on 'gender identity' which is the problematic one for women (and children). It is just desires at face value. No analysis or impact on rights of others.

You see this Yogyakarta being promote like a gospel on the review of the GRA in 2918. You bet there is no reference to any impact on women who are imprisoned in settings where their safety is compromised with real and potential male rapists and murderers. It is just like the past with the church. Carte blanche by the state.

assets.gov.ie/36889/825dd1e75f1b43b284a1a245a1710e1c.pdf

Soz. Working link

womensdeclaration.com/en/

Written a short outline of the wonderful video presentation on that 'Women's Declaration' site. I'll write a better transcript of some of the presentation later. I'm trying to grasp what it is all about and how this has come about that women are on the back foot.

So,

Men’s online community into cross dressing fetish became more confident and organised. In the US, two men from this sexual fetish community created a wish list called ‘The Bill of Transgender Rights’ promoting gender identity.

Beyond the weighting it should have been given as a wish list by sexual fetishists, it provided the template for what became in 2007, the ‘gender identity’ rights section of the Yogyakarta Principles. (This was added to 10 years later in the YP +10)

The Yogyakarta Principles is a document originally created by international human and legal rights activists to promote lesbian and gay rights. The coup the cross dressers were able to accomplish was the piggybacking of their sexual fetish rights onto the rights of Lesbians and gay men. So cross dressing rights of heterosexual men came to be seen as an integral part of lesbian and gay rights and inseparable from them!

The Yogyakarta Principles, though not a UN document, became very influential. Wherever the Principles are adopted by policy makers in the EU and by governments, the rights of cross dressing heterosexual men to pretend to be women are included. This means (because of the 'gender identity' promotion tagging along) that any increase in the rights of lesbians and gay men are likely to reduce, or eliminate, the rights of women.

• So, sexual fetishists organise and campaign for ‘gender identity’ rights. When the Yogyakarta Principles were being drawn up by international human and legal rights activists to promote lesbian and gay rights, the promotion of 'gender identity' was probably being heavily lobbied for. Probably not being assessed critically or what it would this invented, retrograde idea would mean for women.

• Their coup was to insinuate and piggyback their sexual fetish onto the rights of lesbian and gay men and has come to be seen as integral and equivalent to those rights.

• The Yogyakarta Principles are not a UN document but the ‘gender identity’, although at odds with women’s interests, have been uncritically adopted and is influential at EU policy level and government becoming enshrined in legislation around the globe.

• Now, when the rights of lesbians and gay men are increased (protection of sexual orientation rights, which is good), because of the Trans and ‘gender identity’ tagging along with them, it is not good as this ‘sexual fetishism’ and ‘gender identity’ are harmful and are adversely impact on women’s rights which are reduced or eliminated.

I'll have to write a disclaimer here. Anyone can wear whatever the f*ck they want. Be effete. Be butch. It is only cloth. The problem is not that. It is the invention that it not only gives you a 'gender identity' but makes you the opposite sex. The state is used to compel people to acknowledge a wish list as a real thing and budge up for it. The problem is that it has been enshrined into law with consequences for women and women's rights.

@Cailleach1 - yes that is what I was talking about when I meant that the greatest success of the TRAs was the change in definition of trans as being a body dysmorphia like anorexia to a sexual inclination like homosexuality. That way TRAs got the protection of all of the sexuality legislation. And it was a planned campaign. And there are more strings to it - where do you think queer ideology is going.

Glinner has done an email in this today. Part 1. Part 2 tomorrow. I wonder is there a possibility of a legal action on behalf of the female prisoners in Limerick prison?