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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

She’s not a mother - she’s non binary [eye roll]

228 replies

tiktok · 12/09/2020 22:05

Sorry - ridiculous and sad.

the-motherload.co.uk/ive-given-birth-but-i-am-not-my-childrens-mother-where-do-i-belong/?fbclid=IwAR311k--soiBMnxt72quS3VhWYQsiRp1DkLIx5gY_wLKSwIJ767lWI3sonY

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Allourboys · 13/09/2020 02:10

27, 3 autobiographies, 2 young kids and she’s STILL got time to navel gaze. Boby indeed. Can anyone just announce that they’re no longer a common or garden woman anymore? Can I? I think I often share the feeling so many non-binary people proclaim to feel - not fitting in exactly to a pre-ordained woman shaped mould. Would I go about being a nuisance and making life incredibly irritating and awkward for everyone else though - would I fuck! By all means feel it but please stop the self-important narcissistic announcements. Her poor, poor kids. I’m not your Mummy. So where’s my Mummy, Boby?

Quaagars · 13/09/2020 02:35

Have read
I see both sides
I've been around reading long enough to know that you can be male (as in trans man) or non binary like here
Valid
Also if your body gives birth it is biologically female which makes you legally the baby's mother however you identify otherwise.
(Totally would accept identity and pronouns though)

BlackWaveComing · 13/09/2020 02:55

Transmen are female.
Non binary is waffle.
Hth

sparklebumfluffybutt · 13/09/2020 03:11

The comment below made me laugh out loud:

"Enough with this shitting nonsense you stupid woman" Grin

bettybeans · 13/09/2020 03:15

Arghhhhh. This annoyed me so much. No idea who she is but just in case she happens to pop in:....

Aderyn, it's genuinely astonishing that you can be this self-absorbed and spend hours/days/weeks agonising over your identity and role as a mother but still never recognise your weird fixation with stereotypes or, crucially, the irrelevance of any of this to your kids.

You're a female who gestated and gave birth to baby humans. That makes you a mother. You're 27 years old so that makes you a fully grown adult female - a woman. That's it. Factual. Descriptors. It's not a value judgement. Do motherhood as you see fit, but (from one mum to another) preferably with your kids' needs as a priority rather than designing your life and relationship with your kids around your identity issues and weird hang ups about stereotypes. If you don't like motherhood stereotypes, don't replicate them. Easy. Do your own shit. Look beyond your excruciatingly self-obsessed bubble and you'll see that your view of motherhood is frighteningly naive, narrow and regressive.

P.s. do you tell your kids this nonsense? "I'm not your mother"
Shame on you, if you do. Your job is to be their mum, to protect and nurture. Save your identity crisis chat for your therapist.

Durgasarrow · 13/09/2020 05:11

It reminds me of the scene in Harriet the Spy when Harriet is spying on a rich lady who unveils a statue of a giant baby holding a tiny woman.

Hangingover · 13/09/2020 05:22

Blimey. I'm usually pretty live and let live when it comes to this sort of stuff but this smacks of someone cultivating an eccentricity.

ChewtonRoad · 13/09/2020 06:42

The condensed version seems to be "I'm SO SPECIAL" ad nauseum.
"mother is inherently gendered. It is female and I am not" You sodding well are, you've given birth to two other human beings.

Either the article is made up tripe written by a man or this woman has mental health issues.

Those poor children.

chipperfish · 13/09/2020 06:44

Too much unreality is bad for one

SnuggyBuggy · 13/09/2020 07:01

I hope the Stately Homes threads are still going when Boby's kids are grown up

ahumanfemale · 13/09/2020 07:05

Why have three kids if you're not a woman and don't want to be a mother?

I'm waiting for the day that people like this prolific autobiographer decide they're asexual but they still have sex, only because they're "asexual" it's not actually called sex and any child conceived is actually produced by immaculate conception.

It's coming, i know it's coming!

YouJustDoYou · 13/09/2020 07:09

"I am not a gender - I am meta-gender. I am gendervoid".

Well, ok. Be whatever you want. But you can't keep getting angry because people call you a "mother" when they know the children with you are the ones you birthed. "I gave birth to them, but I'm not their mother". "Oh ok, so you're what, like, their surrogate right?". "No! I am their parent!". "Er, ok..." (backs away slowly from that can of worms).

On a different note, there is a mother in my child's class. He first of came out as trans non-binary. Asked for they/them pronouns, and changed name to suitable hip trans name. Cool - everyone did as asked, no problems. Then half a year later they became he. Said now he/him pronouns - fine. He said he is now father to his son, but mother to his son if son asks. Ok. But as is very much evident across the board with many, many trans people, the person is very narcissistic and that poor kid behaves horrifically in class and at home because he's desperately crying out for some attention but his mother only ever, ever, thinks of the mother's self. All Facebook posts are about the mother's feelings. How the mother just wants to be left alone all day so they can game and draw art and dedicate themselves tontheir "transness". The boy is actually a sweet, kind little child, but is so mixed up and left to look after himself because his mother is so busy posting trans and non-binary and "things cis people will never understand!" Facebook posts that he acts out constantly and "causes me so much trouble". The mother only ever talks about the mother's own problems - it's always me me me me me! and that kid never even gets a look in. I think, be whomever you want. But don't sacrifice your children's mental health along the way for your own narcissism.

YouJustDoYou · 13/09/2020 07:10

Why have three kids if you're not a woman and don't want to be a mother?

I'm waiting for the day that people like this prolific autobiographer decide they're asexual but they still have sex, only because they're "asexual" it's not actually called sex and any child conceived is actually produced by immaculate conception

Well, you can still have sex when you're asexual, you just don't enjoy it or feel the same about it like other people do, to be fair.

EdgeOfACoin · 13/09/2020 07:14

But as much as I am not a mum, I have been one. I have shared history, common culture with other mums. I have swapped stories, supported and been supported, vented and listened. That history is part of who I am, and I still need it.

So she used to be a mother (before she realised she was non-binary). Now she is not a mother.

What on earth is the difference between the way she interacted with her children when she was a 'mother' and now that she is a 'parent'?

Her children aged 2 and 4 have been told to stop calling her Mama and to call her Boby. What impact is this going to have on them?

moptophairshop · 13/09/2020 07:39

Who has that level of self-absorption that during lockdown - a really confusing time for most young children - they tell their children they're not their mummy anymore but 'Boby'?

Have all the gender navel-gazing time you like, sneer at the inferior mums in your no doubt limited circle of experience for conforming to binary norms if you must Hmm But don't expect your children to suddenly embrace your new identity when they've only known you as Mummy up until a few months ago.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 13/09/2020 07:48

Somewhere on the internet you could find every bit of drivel that has occurred to every narcissist in the past 20 years. Now there’s a cheerful thought for a Sunday morning. I’m going back to bed.

waitforitwaitforit · 13/09/2020 07:49

She/they is a dick. They're going to damage their children, and THAT is what makes them not a mother. Or certainly not a good one.

AsTreesWalking · 13/09/2020 07:52

She is 27 and has written three autobiographies.
I read it as that at first as well working it out but actually she's saying she's been through enough stuff for 3 - still massively self-obsessed.
Poor children, and no relief as she's a single parent.

rainbowstardrops · 13/09/2020 09:05

Crock of shite

FlamingoAndJohn · 13/09/2020 09:12

The mother only ever talks about the mother's own problems - it's always me me me me me! and that kid never even gets a look in.

And that’s it really. The whole non binary / trans thing has very little to do with it. It’s the whole self absorption that is the problem. The parent could be busy doing anything and ignoring their child and demanding their child treats them in a different way and it would still be a problem.
It would be no different if the mother claimed they were a character from Game of Thrones and the child had to call them by their character name and treat them as they character all day long.

Be who you want to be, dress and behave as you like but when it comes right down to it you are a parent and the truth is that your children should be your priority.

merrymouse · 13/09/2020 09:17

"Western society relies on segregating by gender, pitting man against woman in almost every aspect of life. What do you do if you don’t fit into that binary?"

Or in other words, I'm not like all the other basic bitches.

MidnightCitrus · 13/09/2020 09:21

@SBTLove

Why ask the kids to call her/him Baby? they’re not a baby especially not to their kids.
Boby not baby (still extremely strange)

There is no comprehensive definition of motherhood for all
There is no one definition of motherhood, no one way to become a mother, or be a mother. No comprehensive definition that can apply to everyone and exclude no-one.

Oh really?

BriocheForBreakfast · 13/09/2020 09:22

@Oldbagface

I and me feature a lot. Hate this shite
Exactly that! And me too. A load of utter bollocks.
SisterWendyBuckett · 13/09/2020 09:39

How do you pronounce Boby?

DrDetriment · 13/09/2020 09:42

What the fuck is metagender? That woman needs to pull herself together.