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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Bunburying into Autumn (Bunbury 6)

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DianasLasso · 09/09/2020 13:08

Bit like blackberrying, with added derailment, sealioning and general JAQ-ing off. I'll copy and paste the opening post of the last thread.

The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

Remember there are people out there who would like to silence us by fair means or foul.

This is a continuation of the Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3944572-Bunburys-guide-to-community-disruptors-part-5?pg=40

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging. AS is your friend.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted.. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we always have community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links can be found in the ‘Break it Down for me’ and ‘It never happens’ threads but in essence FermatsTheorem recommended “that in the absence of a block/hide poster button, I suggest the following strategy (given that you're talking to the lurkers).

Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”

Go well Witches gin

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ErrolTheDragon · 24/09/2020 21:39

I think people are so pleased by the good news, and entertained by the reversing ferret, that the sour little interjection got a collective, silent, 'meh'.

ArabellaScott · 24/09/2020 21:58

Oh, deffo. Nothing to see here! Smile

Thinking of setting up a home for all these ferrets who are being retrained.

nepeta · 24/09/2020 22:09

I love these Bunbury threads as a newcomer, though they read to me as if they are in a language I don't yet know how to speak properly.

The ontological meaning of recipes? Is one allowed to insert recipes which just belong to the category of good food or do they stand for something quite different?

Winesalot · 24/09/2020 22:19

Pretty much it errol.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/09/2020 22:24

I have been mostly watching for three of them and I still feel there is a code I haven't fathomed. But they do sometimes tell me where to look for things of interest even if it's from a position of ignorance.

FloralBunting · 24/09/2020 23:26

nepeta at one point we had a regular troll whom we called the Midnight Misogynist. He would rock up with a transparently goady OP, usually about the women in his office who all hated feminists, and order us to Discuss! at the end of the post.

As you might imagine, much humour was had winding the oik up as, instead of doing as we were told, we started talking about recipes. It became quite a regular thing, and back when moderation was kinder and more fun, we'd get an entertaining deletion message as a reward when we awoke in the morning, or MNHQ would ban him (again) and leave up the thread because it was funny.

Eventually, as troll hunting is understandably banned, and things became more fraught generally, recipes became a sort of code to indicate to other women that someone was on the wind up and they should be cautious with their time and effort.

It's a frowned upon activity these days, sadly, but I think if you search, you might happen upon the legendary concoction which was Lang's Weetabix Banana Horror, at which point all your possible polyfilla shortages will be over.

HecatesHat · 24/09/2020 23:30

@FloralBunting

Why would we give a shit today, wims? This is all they have now. I won't be indulging any of it.
I sense they've got skin in the game
fatblackcatspaw · 24/09/2020 23:36

ah ha! troll hunting with forks and magimixes!

nepeta · 25/09/2020 04:28

FloralBunting, thanks for that explanation. Wonderful!

FloralBunting · 25/09/2020 13:28

Somewhat tickled by the lone effort to spin the line that the DofE guidance won't change anything and still trying to spin safeguarding to mean whatever the Trans ideology groups say it means. And receiving not one bite amidst the manifold rejoicing and newcomers realizing exactly what has been going on. Delightful.

persistentwoman · 25/09/2020 14:11

I bit. Blush

Ah well - when people pronounce fake news from a position of pompous ignorance it sometimes needs challenging.

Kit19 · 25/09/2020 15:10

On they go trying to bore ppl into submission...

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 25/09/2020 15:15

Is anyone else getting a "Trans rights are..." advert in the middle of this thread?

CaraDuneRedux · 25/09/2020 15:16

Nope, but then I have an ad-blocker.

(MNHQ - if you come up with a way for me to pay for Premium without having to divulge my identity or bank details, I will happily pay.)

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 25/09/2020 15:18

It's a submersible water pump now Confused.
Yy to the privacy issue.

FleetsumNJetsum · 25/09/2020 19:26

Oh my days, some serious gaslighting/ rewriting history/sealioning going on goodness gracious

MilleniumHallsWalledGarden · 25/09/2020 19:41

It's making me laugh. One government department stands up to them, and they're in total panicked disarray Grin

JellyFishSquish · 25/09/2020 19:54

Does seem that one poster is trying to convince the whole of MN feminist chat that there's nothing to see here, trans groups and organisations never said/did that so all is tickity-boo, nobody said you could be born in the wrong body don't be silly etc etc. and that they agree with the new wording entirely.

Except for this bit of Orwellian inspired counter argument. And this other point which is also important. And what about? Show me the peer reviewed articles, won't you??

No. Just no. We proved this ten pages ago. Stop wasting my time.

MilleniumHallsWalledGarden · 25/09/2020 20:46

Just had a look. Agree, very invested and very persistent.

Fernlake · 25/09/2020 20:52

I'm reading and laughing, too. It's so desperate.

SophocIestheFox · 25/09/2020 20:52

Those ferrets won’t reverse themselves you know Grin

CoffeeTeaChocolate · 25/09/2020 21:15

I am very excited about the thought of lots of peer reviewed research, the more the better.

Maybe it would also be helpful to try to distinguish between the different types which are considered to fall under the trans umbrella. Everything from those who are extremely unhappy with their sex to those who are euphoric about their gender. And all kinds in between. This would be so helpful to increase the general understanding on this.

Siablue · 25/09/2020 22:56

It reminds of my ex. I never said that. When you know they said it. It is the same tactics coercive control people use. It makes you feel like you are going mad but it doesn’t work when there are lots of people who have the evidence. Nobody is buying it.

ArabellaScott · 25/09/2020 23:12

Yes, gaslighting doesn't work with that ratio and lots of evidence.

bishopgiggles · 25/09/2020 23:46

Thing is, if certain orgs never said that, then many of us wouldn't have been posting on many many threads at the time when the orgs did say that, about the things they now supposedly didn't say.

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