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Nigella Lawson - another disappointment

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Kit19 · 30/08/2020 08:51

Any celebrity who thinks we should all just be kiiiiinddd

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tearinyourhand · 30/08/2020 23:49

[quote RedtreesRedtrees]@yourhairiswinterfire But in your cross stitch forum do people literally post exactly the same comments?! It just baffles me that people don’t get bored![/quote]
And does this apply to every pertinent social issue or just to women? Do you frequent anti racism discussions and ask why they're not bored of fighting against racism?

PheasantPlucker1 · 30/08/2020 23:49

Redtrees shall we change the convo?

Why dont you try proposing a solution to the gender/ sex based rights problem, and we can discuss that?

Mine would be extra spaces, so that females and transwomen all have the rights they need/ deserve.

I think this is especially important in spaces such as hospitals and prisons, where the differing needs of both must be met.

What do you think? Would that solution be agreeable to you? Do you have any other ideas?

RedtreesRedtrees · 30/08/2020 23:50

@yourhairiswinterfire so would I, but I think you misunderstood the point.

Quaagars · 30/08/2020 23:51

*didn't make and sense. A bit like your posts

OK, fair enough, that's on you then. I can't help you understand what I'm saying

MilleniumHallsWalledGarden · 30/08/2020 23:51

@DialSquare

There are many lurkers on this board. I was one of them. All I ever saw were funny articulate intelligent women putting their points across. I've never seen a counter point that stood up to scrutiny. I believe many lurkers reading this will come to the sane conclusion as me.

I'm usually a lurker here, too. People read these threads, and learn from them, and feel empowered by them. Keep talking to the lurkers, we're here.

The patience displayed by the women of FWR in the face of the huge number of repetitive, ill thought out, and bad faith posts on here is incredible.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 30/08/2020 23:51

How would trans women be being prejudiced by going into male changing rooms and toilets?

oh dear Qaagers, transwomen are showing prejudice against all these lovely males that it's mean to want privacy from by refusing to share toilets, changing rooms and hospital wards with them

keep up

RedtreesRedtrees · 30/08/2020 23:52

Pheasant seems sensible to me. I think you’ve cracked it.

TorkTorkBam · 30/08/2020 23:52

I am very very interested in understand the logic that says gender identity trumps sex in matters like sports and prisons. I have not seen any arguments that explain how this can be considered as driving better outcomes for everyone, i.e. more equality. I would love to hear a cogent argument.

Quaagars · 30/08/2020 23:53

People read these threads, and learn from them, and feel empowered by them. Keep talking to the lurkers, we're here

Same, know from experience whatever "side" you're coming from

DialSquare · 30/08/2020 23:54

"The patience displayed by the women of FWR in the face of the huge number of repetitive, ill thought out, and bad faith posts on here is incredible."

It really is. Some of them having been doing this for so long too. It must be weary at times. That's why it's good that some of us lurkers come in and post to give them a well earned break!

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 30/08/2020 23:55

Same, know from experience whatever "side" you're coming from

so some of the genderist posters we've had here convinced you to believe in gendered souls?

cor

TorkTorkBam · 30/08/2020 23:55

Not all men are dangerous. Some men are. So why can't TW be in with the men? They can judge the situation by the person too, instead of by prejudice against men as a group. Why isn't that the best option?

Quaagars · 30/08/2020 23:57

so some of the genderist posters we've had here convinced you to believe in gendered souls?

Nope, as in read both "sides", never said anything about getting your knowledge all from the MN FWR boards,

yourhairiswinterfire · 30/08/2020 23:57

I have just got where you name is from 😀

Do you mean the book It is from or do you recognise it from another forum? 👀

I don't use this username elsewhere, if it's the latter. I'm aware that sounds like a defensive panic, but it's true Guv, I swear it. Grin

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 31/08/2020 00:00

i'm really interested in how you rationalise believing in gendered souls Quaagers ? I mean it just looks like flat out sexism to me:

women act like this
men act like that

why isn't that sexist?

ItsLateHumpty · 31/08/2020 00:04

OK thank you for that side, as I said never really heard of that person before so yes want to hear both sides for a balanced view as just the way I do things

What are the ‘both sides’ in this particular (Fallon Fox breaking a woman’s skull) point?

And why are you expecting GC women on FWR to provide you with both sides? Surely if you’re going to weigh in on a debate, you should have already done your research? Or are you just being non GC on a whim?

SOME males pose a threat to females. Yeah, comes across as Not who you think they must be due to prejudices in my opinion

‘prejudice’ noun - preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.
"prejudice against people from different backgrounds"

Some men being a threat to women is based on facts, and statistics, and the point that (general) we (Layla Moran for eg excepted as “knows” via souls) can’t know what someone is like until they show us. This is why we use class analysis.
And sadly many women have experienced male violence. Go look up the numbers, as you won’t believe any facts given here as not fruit of the poisoned tree.

RedtreesRedtrees · 31/08/2020 00:06

Are we back at the beginning yet? I always assumed these threads reset at midnight and go into repeat.

RedtreesRedtrees · 31/08/2020 00:08

And humpty posts that right on cue. Night all.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 31/08/2020 00:09

good news RedtreesRedtrees, you can help with the circularity thing! since you used to believe in gendered souls but are now definitely "GC" (what ever the fuck that menas), you can explain how you rationalised the inherent sexism of your beliefs to yourself

or did you think sexism is a good thing?

a reasoned explanation from a genderist would certainly be a new departure

PheasantPlucker1 · 31/08/2020 00:09

God I hope were not back at the beginning.

The beginning was Nigella waffling shit. Although at least we didnt have to see her licking a spoon and double dipping while she did it. That always made me Envy

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 31/08/2020 00:11

i bloody love nigella by the way, even if some of her recipes are fucking mad

i will not be boycotting her. i just want to get that down.

ItsLateHumpty · 31/08/2020 00:14

i will not be boycotting her.

I have her books. I will still use them, but not as tinder. I’m not irrational.

DialSquare · 31/08/2020 00:15

I know Redtrees doesn't have to answer my question about women and girls who will be excluded but I think it's telling that they haven't. They'd rather say the threads are repetitive instead. Which is also telling.

ItsLateHumpty · 31/08/2020 00:16

They'd rather say the threads are repetitive...

Repetitively Grin

Quaagars · 31/08/2020 00:18

And why are you expecting GC women on FWR to provide you with both sides?

I'm not and I haven't said anywhere I was either