Nigella Lawson - another disappointment

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Any celebrity who thinks we should all just be kiiiiinddd

A still, small voice of extreme privilege from Belgravia.

Nigella Lawson's brand is twinkly fairy lights, soft focus sex appeal and a world where 12 good friends pop round for an autumn lunch and murmur enthusiastically over her thrown-together 8000 calorie menu. It's so far removed from reality that it's actually filmed in a constructed set of her house in a TV studio. She really isn't interested in the real lives of women and girls in ordinary houses and flats across the country, in their struggles to get on sports teams or go swimming or access non-threatening healthcare, or be safe in toilets, refuges, hospitals and prisons. Not her circus, not her monkeys. She just wants flattering lighting and 'kindness.'

Being kind and supportive to girls who say they are boys is what gets us to detransitioners who have irreversible changes after taking testosterone.

What's the point in drugs education and looking out for kids who are self-harming if we are also telling them that they can change sex?

On trans children, I started to struggle with reconciling the arguments that the increasing numbers of trans boys coming out was due to misogyny in our society, yet the increasing number of trans girls was despite the same misogyny
This irritates me a bit. The GC argument is increasing number of trans girls is also due to misogyny - it is not socially acceptable to be an effeminate man, or wear typically female clothes or make up, because of the negative views in society around women and women's things. (In part)
I think another factor that she hasn't mentioned anywhere in the article is homophobia. It appears a lot of young gay people might be transitioning early, when they may in fact be gay. Why do they feel transition is better than being homosexual?

Cocaine is known to reduce IQ.

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@Edgeofacoin what are jammidodger YouTube videos like? I thought Rose of Dawn and Blaire White were gc and my trans identified daughter loves jammidodger so I was surprised you associated them together? I thought he (jammidodger) was a trans ideologue

Oh my but where are all the threats of violence in response to that tweet?

Compare & contrast with the vitriol piled upon JKR who has spent years reading up on the subject. I think Nigella is further down the line and still at the "why can't everyone just be kind stage lalala" she's got some reading up to do as given her prominence and following she needs to fully understand.

I like NL and strongly suspect she was in an emotionally abusive relationship.

@Sexnotgender

Surely NL has experience of male violence, was she not attacked in a restaurant by her husband or have I mixed her up with someone else?

What has that got to do with anything?

Not surprised or disappointed. Never found myself looking to vacuous celebrities for guidance. I find her annoying in the first place. Go be kind Nigella, pander to men as you have been doing all your career.

Oh deep joy. Another clueless 'celeb' jumping on the bandwagon telling women to be kind over the erasure of our sex. .

Where are the likes of Ms Lawson when women are getting attacked, abused, doxxed, harassed, threatened? Where are they when children are being lied to and given drugs that will ruin their bodies. Why aren't they telling TRA's to be kind?

Doesn't work both ways does it Nigella, love? So kindly get lost.

Not really surprised about this tweet but I really wish we could get rid of the straw man that TRA are so successfully spreading. I've done a lot of reading on the topic and I've yet to come across a single person who has said that all trans-people are dangerous. Not one. I've come across many who have said that male-bodied persons are responsible for the majority of violent acts against women and that removing the barriers to those people entering female spaces makes us less safe as we cannot tell who is genuine and who is not. That's not as likely to incite people who don't care to read into this topic to believe that all GC people are "unkind" though.

Everyone on Twitter knows that the quickest way to get a fuck ton of positive PR and a warm cuddly feeling of love and adoration is to serve up an anodyne affirmation of all that is trans. Especially when you’ve got a new book coming out. Cue lots of comments like ‘I knew you were a Goddess‘ and people showing off their freshly baked Nigella buns. I don’t blame her for wanting a quiet life after the shit she’s been through. Her statement makes me want to sink into a sugar coma - it’s what I tend to do anyway when I feel depressed by people who do. not. get. it.

Oh my but where are all the threats of violence in response to that tweet?

Really good point. The GC side aren't in the business of threats or violence. I think that's because we still believe that truth with prevail eventually.

The linked article completely misses the point.

Under gender ideology, there is no sex, no sexual attraction, no gender dysphoria, and certainly no rights for anyone in any of those groups. Just the right to have your 'gender identity' affirmed, a right that can never have value, because a sense of identity is invisible and cannot be validated or denied by another person.

the writer says:

My sister has said to me right from the start that this is not a free speech issue but an issue of kindness and humanity towards a group of people who are mocked and maligned daily.

I don't now who the writer of the article is, and she seems not to have read anything written on the subject by JK Rowling, but surely Nigella Lawson is better informed?

Surely the clue is in the name? Gender critical feminists are concerned about WOMEN'S rights. The ability to talk about things that specifically affect people whose sex is female, even those who don't identify as women (including the writer's nephew). None of this is 'nice', and I'm sure its a lot less nice to talk about periods with a child who struggles with gender dysphoria, but the answer is not to pretend that sex doesn't exist.

Even if you don't care which toilet anyone uses, sex based rights cannot exist if the law can't define sex.

That’s it Ansjovis

Most Ppl don’t read beyond “GC are just bigots/unkind/old fashioned/prudish otherwise they wouldn’t think like this” and don’t engage any further because who wants to be those things right?

It’s incredibly frustrating to see it permanently framed as “just because kind”

It was such an astounding over simplification of a complex issue I'm amazed it was published. 'Just be kind', well yes in most cases this is true. But do I want my daughter sharing a tent with someone with a penis on Guide camp? No. That isn't 'unkind' in my opinion.

On trans children, I started to struggle with reconciling the arguments that the increasing numbers of trans boys coming out was due to misogyny in our society, yet the increasing number of trans girls was despite the same misogyny

This is just plain wrong.

Far more girls are referred to GIDS, and this is what is causing the concern. Again, this was reported on Newsnight. If Nigella Lawson thinks this article in the Independent is informed, she needs to read up on the issue.

JKRisaqueen

Jammidodger is a very nice transman. You are right though - Jamie is not gender critical at all. Having watched their response to JKR's essay, I think they have a very shallow understanding of the issues. Every argument Jamie uses has been thoroughly discussed - and in my opinion comprehensively debunked - on Mumsnet.

My main concern with Jamie is that being trans is portrayed very positively. There's little discussion (if any) of the long term effects of testosterone on a female body. Jamie has had to undergo some extra surgery, I believe, but this is mainly glossed over. Things such as binders and packers are normalised and treated lightly. Jamie and Shaaba (Jamie's fiancée) get together with other young trans people and their partners, eg Noah Finnce, and have a jolly old time.

In my view, the Jammidodger videos run the risk of glamorising the trans lifestyle and underplaying the risks. Being trans looks pretty cool and pretty fun. In fairness to Jamie, Jamie is six foot tall, probably 'passes' quite easily, has a secure relationship and an academic career. At the moment, things probably are going well for them. However, their videos may give a false impression to teenagers who may not pass as well or who struggle to find someone willing to enter a relationship with a transperson.

The videos of detransitioners are much, much darker.

and I've yet to come across a single person who has said that all trans-people are dangerous

I agree. We are being told that GC people think that trans people are coming to get them but that’s simply not true.
I’m not ‘afraid’ of trans people, I have no reason to be.
I’m afraid of men, and all women have plenty of reasons to be afraid of men.

My DH is lovely and wouldn’t entertain hurting a woman, but I can’t imagine him going into a woman only space because he knows it wouldn’t be fair or right to the women. He’s not going to stamp his feet and demand people ‘be kind’.

the article is just another version of the male "i didnt think of women as people till I had a daughter" think piece

if Nora didnt think of trans people as real people until she knew one that says more about her frankly

I think NL must know the writer? If not I'm surprised that, as a professional journalist, she is promoting an article based on anecdata that doesn't understand the arguments.

if Nora didnt think of trans people as real people until she knew one that says more about her frankly

Agree.

What has that got to do with anything?

Well you’d think that someone who has experienced male violence first hand would be a little more circumspect when backing a movement which will remove all ability to protect women as a class.

Sorry I thought that would be fairly self explanatory...

On trans children, I started to struggle with reconciling the arguments that the increasing numbers of trans boys coming out was due to misogyny in our society, yet the increasing number of trans girls was despite the same misogyny

This is an age thing, isn't it? From what I can see, very young boys who like playing with dolls are coming out as girls. Then teenage girls are coming out as boys. Then older men suddenly decide that they have been women their whole lives.

I don't hear quite so much about parents being anxious that their three-year-old daughter likes playing with trucks. I'm sure there are some.

One aspect of the whole TRA business is that most people do not realise what a total, all encompassing ideology it is; and how if you accept one aspect of it, then you must, necessarily, find yourself having to accept the whole lot. There can be no half measures

You go from thinking " let's be kind", to believing that perhaps it is possible to be 'born in the wrong body'; but then you also have to go along with TWAW and that means males in women's sport; it also means transitioning children at ever younger ages to save them 'a life time of suffering'; it means going along with the erasure of women as a distinct group, and everything that implies...around language, perception and everything.