Nigella Lawson - another disappointment

[Kit19]

Any celebrity who thinks we should all just be kiiiiinddd

I saw that earlier.

RT this pile of “if only GC people knew actual trans ppl they’d understand” piffle

twitter.com/nigella_lawson/status/1299832628003176448?s=21

Same

All the rights are not a zero sum game nonsense underneath

On this case yes they are! The moment you have a Male person then right to a female only space they cease to be female only and that right is gone

It’s not hard ffs

That doesn't surprise me, I'd have expected her to be like that.

For someone intelligent she doesn’t seem to have thought very deeply.

@Kit19

All the rights are not a zero sum game nonsense underneath

On this case yes they are! The moment you have a Male person then right to a female only space they cease to be female only and that right is gone

It’s not hard ffs

Indeed. You might as well as say, ‘I know a lot of nice men, so why not let them all in’.

Not really the point here, but I mildly object to the quote NL is using to frame the retweet: the "still small voice" is in fact a Biblical reference to GOD'S VOICE. It's not a fracking metaphor for being nice, unless she's implying the author of the piece is divinely inspired...

Surely NL has experience of male violence, was she not attacked in a restaurant by her husband or have I mixed her up with someone else?

Lawson is, like all celebrities, speaking from a position of safe privilege. She will never be forced to share a prison cell with a convicted rapist. She will never share an NHS patients’ shower room with male bodied patients. She will never be alone in a bus station toilet late at night when a 6 foot bearded person walks in on her. She will never lose an Olympic medal or a sports scholarship to a male bodied opponent.
So easy to be “kind” when you have no skin in the game, and just want to earn woke cookies.

At the moment we are just holding on with our finger nails to our toilets, sports, rights etc so a lot of people who just happen across this subject without doing a lot of reading are just going to shrug and say 'so what? My friend' s brother / my cousin's boss/ my husband's nephew is trans and they're lovely....'

That’s the problem when people aren’t capable of thinking critically and seeing the bigger picture and it’s implications.

It does harm women. This is a fact. That they won't admit it or engage with it demonstrates that they know it.

But Nigella can live in her privileged bubble and not have to deal with the rough end of that, or look in the face of women who do. It's cowardly, and it's yet more let them eat caking. At women who don't have her voice, don't have any voice, and certainly don't have her luxuries. Which are enabling her to be so very generous with her rights.

@Sexnotgender

Surely NL has experience of male violence, was she not attacked in a restaurant by her husband or have I mixed her up with someone else?

She was married to Charles Saatchi for 10 years and they divorced after the pictures of him with his hands around her neck outside a restaurant. It always seemed a horrible choice of husband after her bereavement with John Diamond.

Thanks nosquirrels I thought I’d remembered something like that.

[quote Kit19]RT this pile of “if only GC people knew actual trans ppl they’d understand” piffle

twitter.com/nigella_lawson/status/1299832628003176448?s=21[/quote]
I have known actual transpeople. I also make an effort to watch transpeople's stuff on YouTube (Jammidodger, Sam Switz, Rose of Dawn, Blaire White). I also watch videos made by detransitioners like Elle Palmer and Leoaica.

Some are very nice people. Others, including the ones I knew personally - frankly, especially the ones I knew personally - just strengthen some of my GC views.

Imagine looking into the eyes of an innocent child and telling them that they were born in the wrong body. That their behaviours fall outside what is allowed for their sex. That there is something so wrong with them that the only cure is a lifetime of painful, disfiguring surgeries, sterialisation, and untested drug therapies.

Asking women to 'be kind' is saying, 'just carry on with the behaviour that has caused you to be shat on for the last few thousand years...'

Good move, that.

Kindness should be rebranded.

It is an earnt intimacy, only for people who have proven that they won't take advantage or manipulate you.

For everyone else - be polite, be considerate, don't be a dick. But you don't have to be kind to complete strangers....

I'm glad she has lovely trans friends.

I wonder though if she's ever known socially a woman with a minority faith and culture who is not permitted to go anywhere socially where men might be present without a family escort, and who now can't use the park toilets or go to the female only swim since TW wanted to join it. Or women who have lived in refuges and know what it is to have ptsd triggered by the sight or sound of a male in their vicinity. Or a woman whose a transwoman.

They're all lovely people too. Less fashionable and sweet to patronise, less woke cookies involved, I wonder if any of those have ever come on to her radar?

*woman who is a transwidow that should say

There's no point expecting everyone to agree with one view. I can imagine some people reacting to experience of male violence by feeling even stronger positivd views for males who reject everything male.

I do know transgender people in real life. And their lack of respect for other people makes me even more certain of my gender critical position.

Ironically I was probably more sympathetic until I actually knew people in real life until this ideology actually came into my life in the form of real people. And, whilst I obviously can't speak for every transgender person, the ones I know are bullies through and through.

I just get frustrated with the lack of critical not my Nigel type thinking. This is not about TW it’s about men & boys whether they’re wearing a dress or not or calling themselves Susan having the right to be in female spaces. once it’s legally fine fir men to self ID as a woman ALL female only spaces are gone just like that. It’s not fecking hard to understavd the impact of that

The fact someone’s nephew or son or husband is a lovely TW is completely irrelevant

Imagine looking into the eyes of an innocent child and telling them that they were born in the wrong body. That their behaviours fall outside what is allowed for their sex. That there is something so wrong with them that the only cure is a lifetime of painful, disfiguring surgeries, sterilisation, and untested drug therapies.