Nigella Lawson - another disappointment

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Any celebrity who thinks we should all just be kiiiiinddd

Once again, it's women being told to shut up and be nice. You'd be forgiven for thinking women have been sending rape and death threats or something.

RT this pile of “if only GC people knew actual trans ppl they’d understand” piffle.

I do know trans people, I admire them greatly. I still don't want to have to share my spaces with men Because that's what this is about, predatory men (NOT genuine trans people) using this to their advantage. Women have already suffered.

All we're asking for is our legal right to single sex services to be respected, how is that unkind?

I couldn't stand the flirty pseudo-sexual winky spoon-licky moves of her first-ever cooking show - haven't taken any notice since.

NL's not-so-U SP has always been soft, sexy, generous fuzziness, though what she's like behind the persona is her business.

I had always deduced a razor-sharp, analytical intelligence, but perhaps not, if she's genuine in this retweet. Of course she may be cynically gathering 'woke' points and emphasising the difference between her and GC celebs, in which case she's almost as whip-smart as I've always thought her, perhaps just a bit lacking in foresight about how this may all read later. By later I mean when the 'C21st thalidomide' scandal breaks.

Still, tweets can be deleted, right? How many of the 'be kind while we're robbed blind' brigade will say they were actually GC all along, I wonder?

It's 'be kind to men', let's be honest about this. That's what it means.

Never the slightest suggestion about being kind to women. Who need single sex spaces, and could have them alongside mixed sex provisions, if some males would be kind and admit females have feelings and needs too.

And frankly unless Nigella is equally preaching kindness to those encouraging kerb stomping, grease fire deaths, rape and barbed wire wrapped baseball bats for women who say things like sex exists and female sex based rights are essential for females....

What's she's basically issuing is a highly sexist command for women to be a doormat to male wishes.

Fuck. That.

NL's not-so-U SP has always been soft, sexy, generous fuzziness

Yes, and I think she's always gone out of her way to be seen as soothing, and the provider of comfort - no matter how short sighted and harmful that may be in the long term. She was roundly criticised for the massive calorie/fat/sugar load of her recipes in both 2007 and 2012 when new books and TV series came out.

@Sexnotgender

What has that got to do with anything?

Well you’d think that someone who has experienced male violence first hand would be a little more circumspect when backing a movement which will remove all ability to protect women as a class.

Sorry I thought that would be fairly self explanatory...

No it wasn't self- explanatory. It looked like well Nigella knew one violent man - ergo all men are to be avoided. It looked utterly irrelevant to the discussion.

If you say so.

To me it seems that nigella knows full well men can be violent, even the ones trusted to form intimate relationships with, but nigella doesn't appreciate that some women rely on shelters and refuges to offer safety.

She doesn't seem to appreciate that 'being kind' put women, who don't have personal wealth, at a risk of abuse that they cannot escape from.

It's a real blind spot with identity politics that the wealthy seem to embrace - that they are asking the poorest women to show a 'kindness' they they will never have to.

Whats kind about forcing women to use mixed sex spaces?

i like Nigella. not very well thought. remember her last husband squeezing her nose in a restaurant.

Interesting also how Lisa Nandy, cbbc and now Nigella focus on the gentle, feminine trans narrative, they don’t have a bearded, 17 stone, 50 year old with a history of violence, front and centre.

The point is, change the law and you can’t discriminate between the sweet and trendy and the big and scary tw, the fetishist or the voyeur. But maybe that’s of no concern if you always go private/VIP/first class.

The linked article completely misses the point.

Although it does spell out one of the reasons why TRAs focus on children. The 'trans child' needs to become the 'typical' transgender person. People obviously find it hard to believe that a 6' plus middle-aged man who decides he is a woman is in a 'most vulnerable' category of people. But a little boy or a teenage girl who has decided that they are the opposite sex? Who wouldn't think of them as vulnerable?

The older male transitioners can then feed off this by saying that they were just the same as children. Therefore putting themselves in the same category as the vulnerable children.

This then feeds into the personal aspect, as mentioned in this article. Since late transitioning males are now in the same category as teenage girls who want to be boys, any criticism of males in women's spaces or sports can be interpreted as a criticism of the troubled and vulnerable teenager.

But adults really should stop telling children that they can change sex.

Hmmmm..... My post was deleted and I have been given my first strike....

.... I was sent an email telling me why and the paragraph I was deleted for was quoted in the next post which still stands, so not only does it seem that the deletion and subsequent strike was unwarranted, but totally ineffective!!

Why is a website set up FOR women to discuss women censoring perfectly acceptable posts like this?

Hmmmmm......

I find it so interesting that women fought so hard for equality in the '70s, including my mother, to remove places that were men only now fight for places to be women only citing it as dangerous to allow transwomen in those areas because there is the remotest chance some bloke will abuse it. These women lump all transwomen into one homogeneous group, one person is possibly bad so all might be bad and we must be afraid of them.

Women should be ashamed for thinking themselves into this victimhood causing heartache to people who just want to live their lives.

Women should be ashamed for thinking themselves into this victimhood causing heartache to people who just want to live their lives.

So we should just be kind huh? Maybe once men as a class stop raping and killing us in astonishing numbers we’ll give it some thought.

Hmmmm, no, sweetespresso, that's not quite correct now, is it?

Men only = fine. As long as there exist equivalent services for women, which is what we fought for. Not to be allowed where only men can go, but to have our own facilities where only women can go.

Doesn't it strike you that, on the whole, men are not losing their sports, toilets, safe spaces, privacy or dignity?

Ashamed for sticking up for our hard earned, sex based right? Nah. I'm ridiculously proud to, thanks.

I think people belittling women and their lived experiences, the same types that accuse us of 'weaponizing' our rapes and abuse, should be ashamed. They'd have to have some kind of conscience, though.

Our experiences are valid too, you know. Women's right are for women. We can't afford to just give them away so we don't hurt feelings. We're done with that shit.

Women fought for their rights for equality. Women these days are fighting to remove equality.

Transmen are going into male dominated spaces and sports.

Men should stop raping for sure, but stopping transwomen from using women's toilets won't stop that and may even mean more rapes as for some transwomen if they use men only toilets. Are you trying to force them to never leave their homes in case they need a wee?

I'm a big fan of Nigella and this is just so disappointing. Shes a very smart woman so I'm seeing this as a cynical bid for woke cookies in view of her new book coming out soon. I honestly cant get past the utter stupidity of anyone who believes the 'born in the wrong body' nonsense based on colour, clothing and toy choices. I mean, FFS, it's so obviously regressive sexist horseshit.

She didn't divorce Saatchi until every newspaper was writing incessantly about how she must divorce him after he was caught on camera choking her IN PUBLIC.

This tells me her default position is appeasement.

And that media coverage matters to her a lot.

This article fits.

• Attitude to this article I mean.

To tell me which Male sports teams trans men are competing in

Women should be ashamed for thinking themselves into this victimhood causing heartache to people who just want to live their lives.

You believe women should be ashamed for supporting safeguarding?

I'm sure I don't need to remind you that without knowing the sex of an individual, lots of safeguarding falls away.

I'm shocked that someone would ignore/ forget about safeguarding on a parenting forum.