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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Today’s witch burning - Rosie Duffield MP

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Kit19 · 01/08/2020 15:50

has had to lock down her Twitter account after being inundated with hate for saying women have cervix’s

The TRA are now spamming labour with complaints about her transphobia & demands she is sacked

I’m planning to email my support fir her copying in Keir Starmer

(And yes of course LOJ is involved!)

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RozWatching · 15/01/2021 12:34

What are they saying?

That an all-male parliament can be well-balanced provided that half of the men are, what - dysphoric?

BuntingEllacott · 15/01/2021 12:47

Well, women are just faulty men, after all.

littlbrowndog · 15/01/2021 12:48

It’s the women who have reached their goals for being an Mp or minister pulling up the ladder behind them for women hoping to get to their goals

To keep men happy

HecatesCats · 15/01/2021 12:59

The suffragettes needn't have bothered, the answer to fairer representation was staring them in the face all along.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/01/2021 13:01

EVEN if you are a genderologist and believe that gender is a real thing and a 50:50 (why?) gender split would be good, how do you get from there to thinking that a 100:0 sex ratio would be fine?

Some of these people either don't recognise biological sex as a meaningful category, because TWAW, or they simply haven't thought anything through and are just clapping it like performing seals.

TheBuffster · 15/01/2021 13:09

It represents a real dilemma doesn't it. Politicians either centre men or are ousted and bullied on trumped up charges of transphobia when it's really for not being a handmaiden.
I think I actually prefer gilliad, at least they were upfront with their misogyny and homophobia instead of hiding behind a woke shield.

MerchedCymru · 15/01/2021 13:30

I can only assume that they're under the imperious curse to collude in their own oppression like this

YES! That must be it Buffster. That's the only rational explanation.

And it also explains why Scottish Gov is currently fighting to redefine 'women' as anyone with a girlie name and/or a floral alice-band as part of their ambition to ensure equal M/F representation on public boards.

Off to bang my head against the wall now.

WhichOneOfUsIsCaving2 · 15/01/2021 13:54

@MerchedCymru

At the launch of 50:50, female MPs from all political parties were asked if they would be happy with a 50:50 parliament of men and transwomen.

They all said yes. Every one of them.

I'd love to know what the answer would be if they'd been asked:

Would they be happy with a 50:50 parliament made up of women and transmen?

I have a feeling that wouldn't be quite so enthusiastically supported. Can't quite put my finger on why that would be..

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RozWatching · 15/01/2021 14:01

[quote gardenbird48]an interesting thread. A Lib Dem MP is getting called out by another LD MP for calling for Rosie to be excluded by the 50:50 Women campaign (to improve women's representation in politics) because she doesn't support 'ALL' women.

twitter.com/Alexa_Kantor/status/1349696071992279040[/quote]
Lib Dems really want to own this, don't they.

It's tragic that Labour can't see how it all plays straight into Tories' hands. Good luck with the next 'woman to woman' election tour on that pink bus...

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 16/01/2021 15:11

That 50:50 event features the queen of the gender faith in Scotland, Rhiannon Spear. If people like Kantor thought they had an argument to make against Rosie, they should be hoping Rhiannon would advance it and wipe the floor with her publicly. They don't, because they know she can't.

I'm actually at a loss to understand why Rhiannon has been invited to take part - she is a local councillor who failed to get selected for a constituency and lost her position as SNP women's convener to Caroline McAllister of the women's pledge. She is also rather slippery and prone to embellishment about her achievements. It isn't as though the SNP are short of female MPs, MSPs, etc. However, she does seem to be favoured by the dear leader.

teawamutu · 16/01/2021 18:45

Did Rhiannon actually fail to get selected? Excellent news. Reinforces my faith in the common sense of the Scots Grin

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 16/01/2021 19:22

She failed in Argyll and Bute. Although she lives in Glasgow, she claimed that she was completely open to moving back (apparently grew up there). She also suddenly became really concerned about land reform.

However, she has now put herself forward for Highlands and Islands list. Most SNP candidates don't have a hope on a list as there are enough constituency MSPs elected to fill the quota, but H&I have a strong Lib Dem showing in constituency seats. In fact the only real option on the list for SNP are South Scotland or H&I.

Igneococcus · 16/01/2021 19:35

I missed that the A&B candidate has been announced. I would have liked Rhiannon Spear coming to my door canvassing. I know nothing about Jenni Minto.

ArabellaScott · 16/01/2021 20:10

I doubt RS did any canvassing, Igneo. She didn't seem to be very popular among constituents, as far as I could see.

Igneococcus · 16/01/2021 20:47

I doubt she would have a chance in H&I either Arabella. I read through Jenni Minto's statement, not a word about gender issues.

SolitaryBee · 16/01/2021 22:25

I emailed Jenni Minto when I heard she had been selected for A&B. I asked a number of specific questions about GRA reform, self-ID, the medicalisation of healthy children, assaults in women’s prisons etc etc etc. Jenni replied. So that puts her head and shoulders above Rhiannon who I think I emailed 3 or 4 times with the same list of questions while she was the SNP women’s convenor and got no response.

While it was encouraging to receive a reply from Jenni. I’m not particularly impressed by her answer. She wrote:

“Human Rights are constantly under review, which I think is an important thing for society to do, after all it is a human concept. However, I do not think that rights already gained should be diminished in any way.

The pot of Human Rights needs to be expanded; I liken it to the love my brother has for his children when his second one arrived, his love didn’t halve, it doubled.

I have done a lot of research into GRA, reading articles, listening to podcasts and speaking to people on both sides of the debate, to try to understand the arguments. My over-riding view is that it has become shrill on both sides and this does not help anyone, it is a subject that requires compassion and kindness.
I think the Scottish Government has a responsibility to listen to all views, and I was pleased to see that Shirley Ann Somerville introduced a pause in the legislation to allow just that.

This may be an opportunity for a Citizen’s Assembly to help Scotland arrive at a conclusion that satisfies the majority.

If I am elected it will be my responsibility to ensure I represent all constituents views to Ministers.

I hope this gives you an understanding of my position.”

I think describing both sides as “shrill” makes light of the constant threats of violence and sexual assault directed at any GC woman who dares to question the trans orthodoxy.

It seems to me that while Jenni says she has read around the subject she is still telling women to, “sit down, keep quiet and be kind”, just like all the other disappointing politicians who are meant to represent us.

I looked into Citizen’s assembly that Jenni mentions on this web site:
www.citizensassembly.scot/about/common-questions

Under “About – Assembly Members” there is a pdf which has pie charts on the make up of the assembly it consists of 52% women and 48% men. I think this has relevance to the 50:50 discussion above. Would an assembly that consisted of 52% transwomen and 48% men arrive at the same conclusions as an assembly of 52% natal women if questions on GRA reform were put before it? The needs of transwomen and women should both be considered but should not be conflated.

PearPickingPorky · 16/01/2021 22:58

Solitary I don't think that's a bad reply. The crap attempt at both-sides-ism is the only part I eye-rolled at. She's a lot more brave than most would be, and she hasn't dismissed it.

EyesOpening · 16/01/2021 23:16

@MerchedCymru

At the launch of 50:50, female MPs from all political parties were asked if they would be happy with a 50:50 parliament of men and transwomen.

They all said yes. Every one of them.

Should have asked them if they’d be happy for that, for ever and ever as well as males being able to self ID into it and they saw lots of the unelected males suddenly all start self IDing as women
SolitaryBee · 16/01/2021 23:19

Yes Pear, it is a lot more than I have had back from any other politician I have contacted but it is not enough to persuade me to vote SNP again or to support another Indy referendum.

Igneococcus · 17/01/2021 08:06

Thanks SolitaryBee it reads better than RS calling women bigots but I also very much dilike the word "shrill" in this context.
I had two Green party people come to my door (before lockdown) not canvassing just "introducing their party and its goals" and I had a lenghty rant at them, not only but mostly about gender issues, also their lack of opposition to the hydroschemes in Glencoe and to the development of Ganavan (Oban) and they were completely baffled that the GRA was that big a thing for me. They promised to look into it more.
I have no idea who I'm going to vote for.

ArabellaScott · 17/01/2021 09:21

Thanks, Solitary. I might write also. It sounds like she is at least open to discussion, which is a start. The problems arise when debate is shut down, questions are disallowed and women are slurred and dismissed.

Thingybob · 26/07/2021 11:56

I think Rosie could do with some support as the twitterati have it in for her again.

Her misdemeanor was liking a tweet

twitter.com/birdapphateacc/status/1419357393335509002

Today’s witch burning - Rosie Duffield MP
Keepemguessing · 26/07/2021 12:14

I admire her courage.

MummBraTheEverLeaking · 26/07/2021 12:38

Again? FFS Angry

After Keir's support of self ID on penis news if Rosie gets even a hint of the boot that's the absolute final nail for me, Labour can henceforth stick it up their backsides

Kit19 · 26/07/2021 12:42

Labour are dead to me until they stop this utter ridiculousness. They all know what woman is, all of them!

they know TW are TW, they're just happy to whang women under a bus because they're misogynistic as fuck when push comes to shove...

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