Fully outed myself as GC at woke workplace

[McDuffy]

It might be stupid in this job climate but I'm reasonably senior and I've just commented on someone's intranet post on why they've put pronouns in their bio and why it's a nice thing to do with a (softened, for me) counter argument (three, actually).
I'm feeling a bit trembly but courage calls to courage. I don't add much original thought here but I learn so much (though I'm good for a Times share token ) so thanks for making me feel I'm not alone.

So many questions!

Do you also ask people to put their sexuality, marital status and number of children down? It just feels like personal information to me, especially if you weren't ready to go public yet. You didn't answer that. Certainly no hatred of anyone here and tolerance just means'put up with' not acceptance anyway.

I think I missed an earlier post on this, but we don’t require anyone to put this down obviously. In the OPs instance it was merely an employee posting on the intranet that they intended to include pronouns and why it was a nice idea. It’s not as I understand it any requirement of the company so people are free to do as they wish. But the OP and others seize on it as an opportunity to wind up the hysteria and post on here to try to find validation and some ‘legitimate’ reasons to back up their views.

How many trans people do you have at your company?

Baroness none currently so far as I’m aware but we have previously.

But the OP and others seize on it as an opportunity to wind up the hysteria and post on here to try to find validation and some ‘legitimate’ reasons to back up their views.

I think you are describing your own behaviour to be honest!

Yes Fanta, I’m definitely finding validation and some legitimate reasons to back up my views from this forum

How do you conduct the purity interviews for your employees? You claim upthread their is a single "company" view and as companies are legal entities I presume you mean all 300 people have the same views. Are you going to share how you have reached this conclusion?

@Coyoacan I hope you’ll reread your comment when you’re sober and realise how utterly ridiculous that is. I honestly wonder how some of you function in the real world

Perfectly well...We're mothers, grandmothers, teachers, health professionals, lawyers, journalists, carers, supermarket workers, shop keepers.......and we all know the difference between treating others with respect and dignity; and manipulative, enforced mind control ( in the name of supposed 'equality').

Pull the other one. Many of us have also been politically active on any number of issues, mainly of the left -liberation movement variety......But what you are asserting is simply authoritarian, ideological control, reminiscent of Orwell's 1984,...and the main casualties of that are women and girls ( children, generally) and truth more generally.

I'm a bit behind, what is GC?

Fanta we send all employees to an intensive thought camp. Honestly

It should be easy to tell us? You have confidently stated that there is a company view and anyone not having that view would not fit in, so how have you found out everyone's views are identical to yours? I think you should share as this could be a new phenomenon in human behaviour.

@FantaOra

Sure people are always extremely careful to stay on the ‘right’ side of the line, but it doesn’t take a genius to read between the lines.

Fantastic isn't it! Judged for what you haven't said. What an extremely prejudiced way of treating people.

It happens a LOT on here

Seems to be a ‘go to’ for some posters on this board

Well quite clearly Redtrees is willing to pronounce with absolute certainty on the unexpressed views of 300 employees so I imagine reading unwritten words is a doddle.

What a horrific sounding workplace. I couldn't bear it.

@Jayaywhynot it means Gender Critical. In other words, people who recognise that men have exploited and abused women and girls for millennia on the basis of biology, and we have sex based needs because of this. We reject trans ideology as it ignores sex, the root of our oppression, and is extremely misogynistic, reducing women to a feeling in men's heads. It puts women and girls in danger by pushing for male access to women's spaces, which we need because of our biology.....biology men can never share so they have no need for our spaces. They want it, regardless.

Sure people are always extremely careful to stay on the ‘right’ side of the line, but it doesn’t take a genius to read between the lines. It saddens me that the most vociferous proponents of this are stoking fears and divisions where none need exist. Every now and then the mask slips

There is no mask, except for one of politeness in most instances.

What has been said is that:

1. People cannot change sex. Sex exists, and has consequences.

1. Women & girls have a right to single sex spaces, services and sports ( enshrined in law) for their dignity, comfort, fairness and safety.

1. Equality does not mean sameness. Different but equal.

1. All citizens of the Uk already have equal legal and civil rights as it stands.What you are imposing is additional rights for one group, at the direct expense of others.

1. The ideas that go into shaping contemporary transgenderism are ideological ones. Not material facts.

1. Women will not give up their spaces, hard won, without a fight.

1. Women of certain ethnicities and religions would not be permitted a public life if males were permitted into their spaces.

1. An adult can identify however they like, but that is not the same as enforcing compliance on everyone else. Or changing the world to suit.

1. Most people are respectful to others unless given reason not to be. this does not need to be enforced in a workplace under threat of dismissal. That is just weird..and more than a little scary.

How many trans people do you have at your company

If it is IT related and as male dominated as redtrees says, then probably quite a few.

'Hysteria'

It saddens me that the most vociferous proponents of this are stoking fears and divisions where none need exist

Please expand on this. You keep bringing it up. what do you mean by " stoking division"?

Could it be pointing out that there are males and there are females, that there are men and there are women? Do you really think that there is no difference between the two?

If difference is itself division, then yes. There are differences between many groups and cultures, the world over.

Single sex spaces exist for a reason. The reason still applies.

People who give a shit about women and girls and who unapologetically centre them above men, are always accused of hysteria and stoking hate and division. Never the actual people terrorising women and girls, funnily enough.

@IHeartSusanDey
Thanks for your explanation, this is how I feel but have trouble articulating without landing myself in hot water

As Redtrees has instilled a company culture that explicitly involves dismissal for anyone for thinking differently to Redtrees, Redtrees has no idea what anyone thinks as Redtrees will only get Redtrees own opinions reflected back to them.

One interesting factor, is that women will tend, in general, to be more compliant and agree to measures and rules that are meant to create social harmony - even at their own expense.

Whereas men, in general, are not having it at all......there is far less acceptance of transwomen amongst men than amongst women. We all know the difference, can see and feel the difference, but women are expected to pretend that they don't, even in their own space.

It's just the most insulting nonsense - and literally an act of colonisation:

Colonisation

The action or process of settling among and establishing control over the indigenous people of an area

The action of appropriating a place or domain for one's own use

No problem at all Jay. TBH I struggle to comprehend how anyone can't see it like that.

As Redtrees has instilled a company culture that explicitly involves dismissal for anyone for thinking differently to Redtrees, Redtrees has no idea what anyone thinks as Redtrees will only get Redtrees own opinions reflected back to them

Shiny, happy people.

Sounds very much like a tech environment.

Justhadathought, I agree that women do that..female socialisation is a bugger. And I feel enraged at people using this socialisation against women and girls - using their kindness and fear of male violence if they say No to men, against them to get their own way and hurt women even further. It is a really shitty, nasty thing to do.