Fully outed myself as GC at woke workplace

[McDuffy]

It might be stupid in this job climate but I'm reasonably senior and I've just commented on someone's intranet post on why they've put pronouns in their bio and why it's a nice thing to do with a (softened, for me) counter argument (three, actually).
I'm feeling a bit trembly but courage calls to courage. I don't add much original thought here but I learn so much (though I'm good for a Times share token ) so thanks for making me feel I'm not alone.

@MummytoCSJH

I've been reading these threads for a while now as they've popped up on active and rarely (if ever?) replied. Followed the JKR 'drama' as I love HP and don't really understand the outrage. I have seen blatant hatred of trans/gay/black people and this is not it. However, I've never really known enough to decide what I believe - I have trans friends and would never want to make them feel like they are not accepted in any way, as they are and I love them for whatever they choose to be, but *@wellbehavedwomen what you wrote earlier really clarified things for me in regards to gender vs sex and what that means. What @DianasLasso* said also stuck out as especially important for me as I'm completing my STEM degree and hope to progress further in research, and I have found even doing my Bsc that me being a woman has had an effect on what is expected from me. I've also been raped before and much prefer women-only (sorry if that's the wrong language, but biologically I mean!) spaces for that reason. Older teenage/adult men I do not know make me nervous in every day life, never mind when I am in a private or vulnerable position such as changing/toilet. I hope I've worded this the right way. I don't want to offend anyone I just want to feel comfortable in my own life. I don't understand why this is so controversial. I am not saying that people can't choose to act/look however they want I just feel safer knowing I am protected as a woman. Thanks for the info everyone, sorry if I got some things wrong, still learning.

I agree with all that you've said, MummytoCSJH. Women need and have a right to single sex spaces. There's nothing wrong with saying that- unfortunately there's an ideology currently taking hold that says women can't or shouldn't express these feelings or ideas.

Justhadathought, I built my business over many years in a very male dominated sector. I am proud of the company and the employees and we have much to be proud of. We are generally a happy and productive place and no one is experiencing the kind of repression and subjugation described by PPs. I won’t be taking lectures from people who are determined to stoke division and cause conflict where none need exist

There there will always be an element of division where there is difference. There has long been separate spaces, services and sports for women and men on account of the need for privacy and dignity of one's sex; and for women the additional factor of safety, due to the smaller nature of females and their biological role in pregnancy. Sex is instinctively registered, and women in general do not feel comfortable in intimate spaces, or in positions of undress, with people of the opposite sex.

Women have struggled for the provision of public spaces which permit them this comfort and dignity, and indeed, many women of different religions and ethnicities would not be permitted a public life at all if women's spaces were mixed sex.

I bet no women in your company dares question your edicts and impositions, and I also reckon you wouldn't care if they felt at all uncomfortable or compromised, either. Because it would seem to you, if a woman feels uncomfortable or compromised it means she is a bigot. She must put up and shut up.

'Nice job you have there, shame if you lost it...'
Noooo has someone really said that? It sounds like a line from one of those early noughties British gangster movies that went straight to DVD.

Anyway well done op. I've not been asked to declare my pronouns yet but, when I am, I plan to tell them my gender identity is none of their business.

Ugh Redtrees....just no.

@Floisme

'Nice job you have there, shame if you lost it...' Noooo has someone really said that? It sounds like a line from one of those early noughties British gangster movies that went straight to DVD.

Anyway well done op. I've not been asked to declare my pronouns yet but, when I am, I plan to tell them my gender identity is none of their business.

Very early on in the thread redtrees thought I'd have more time on my hands due to unemployment hasn't been able to say what the grounds for my dismissal would be so far that I can recall.

Floisme, no, no one has said that, but the progressive business person who has taken up so much of people's time not answering questions kicked off their presence with comments about the OP having to find other employment if they were involved, which other posters onthread have, not unreasonably, paraphrased with that joke.

Ah right, thank you. If Redtrees is offended at being compared with a third rate Guy Ritchie then I will of course apologise.

@RedtreesRedtrees

Well on the whole we’re a very happy bunch given how apparently repressed and subjugated we are. The work environment seems to suit our needs just fine. But keep up the GC threads and I’m sure you can stoke some division. Honestly you lot

In other words, any member of staff who doesn’t go along with your misogyny and oppression of free speech within a legal framework dare not speak out because they’d be shown the door sharpish. That’s also known as repression.

Well on the whole we’re a very happy bunch

Says you Redtrees. I'd put my pension on the fact that your colleagues are only as happy as you tell them they are!

far back

If my workplace made pronouns compulsory I’d worry about what else they believed & start looking for another job.

The equivalent would be to uphold and promote an ideology that advantages white people at the expense of BAME people. White supremacism

Well actually Redtree et al want to impose their ideology on Muslims, Jews and Sikhs, who are strongly represented among BAME. Discriminatory against everyone who does subscribe to their woke principles.

But you've still not answered my question, Redtrees. What views do you consider unacceptable in your staff, and how do you screen for them?

The merailing continues.....

[quote RedtreesRedtrees]@Coyoacan I hope you’ll reread your comment when you’re sober and realise how utterly ridiculous that is. I honestly wonder how some of you function in the real world.[/quote]
@Coyoacan is absolutely spot on. Many women are subjected to repression from men in different religions, I know of many girls whose fathers would not allow them to take part in swimming or PE lessons if boys were present, thus forcing them to miss a significant part of their education. In my area, there are single sex schools where the majority of the students are Muslim. If we were forced to agree that sex is changeable in law, boys self iding as girls would be able to access the girls school, and as a result many of those girls would be taken out of school by their parents.
At the end of the day, despite your 'beliefs', sex cannot be changed, single sex spaces are still legal, and most women don't want men in their spaces, no matter how much they 'pass' as women.

@scrimpshawthesecond We use a range of interrogation techniques From some of the comments on this thread you’d think my company was a Russian gulag. We are a thriving business with a diverse employee base and women in most of the top management roles (including our GC). We are not some kind of repressed subjugated group suffering at the hands of a tyrannical leader! But from that position of strength we don’t feel the need to repress or subjugate others and we strive to be inclusive. It is too apparent reading through some of the threads on here that in many instances GC serves as a cloak for transphobia (by which I mean a hatred and intolerance of trans people (before someone asks ). Sure people are always extremely careful to stay on the ‘right’ side of the line, but it doesn’t take a genius to read between the lines. It saddens me that the most vociferous proponents of this are stoking fears and divisions where none need exist. Every now and then the mask slips.

@Kit19 I’m not familiar with this term. Presumably a play on derailing? 🤷‍♀️

How many trans people do you have at your company?

No mask, not transphobic but am GC.

I have non transphobic credentials. Remember AIDS, well I was someone who was helping the (then called) Gay community.

I know this doesn't exonerate me, and I could still be called a transphobic, by a zealot I assume but not by the community I tried my very very best to help

Sure people are always extremely careful to stay on the ‘right’ side of the line, but it doesn’t take a genius to read between the lines.

Fantastic isn't it! Judged for what you haven't said. What an extremely prejudiced way of treating people.

Do you also ask people to put their sexuality, marital status and number of children down? It just feels like personal information to me, especially if you weren't ready to go public yet. You didn't answer that. Certainly no hatred of anyone here and tolerance just means'put up with' not acceptance anyway.

Again, redtrees, can you give a specific example of what you consider to be a GC view that you would attempt to sack someone for? I don't know how you function in the real world making statements like that without actually being able to think of one.

And do you consider the belief that "same-sex attraction is a fetish" as acceptable? You've said you wouldn't tolerate transphobic or homophobic beliefs - if a colleague said this to you tomorrow what would be your response?

In the "real world" if I'm asked to qualify a statement I made at work that impacts employment policy I'd be expected to fully expand on it.

We are a thriving business with a diverse employee base and women in most of the top management roles (including our GC).

But if a woman is ‘anyone who identifies as one’ that statement becomes meaningless.