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"Free Britney"

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CistitisStings · 13/07/2020 08:42

Apologies if this has been covered already on this board.
Does anyone know much about "conservatorships", legally?
The fact that Britney Spears' actions have apparently been controlled by two men (her father and a lawyer, paid a lot from Britney's estate) for over a decade seems alarming.

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FlyingOink · 13/07/2020 08:52

Her father claimed she had dementia. There's a lot of detail online but I don't know how true it all is.
She's certainly been used by her family.

And her current situation is awful.

Interestingly very shortly after he claimed she had/has dementia she went on a world tour, so presumably he can't have been that concerned about her mental health.

FlyingOink · 13/07/2020 08:56

This is doing the rounds on Facebook and if it's correct is quite terrifying:
link

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 13/07/2020 09:02

Gosh that FB post is terrifying. If true it's almost a modern day slavery issue.

Soubriquet · 13/07/2020 09:07

I have seen that

Scary if true

But if it isn’t, there is going to be a lot of grief on the so called perpetrators

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 13/07/2020 09:08

That poor woman.

FlyingOink · 13/07/2020 09:22

There are a fair few media links suggesting it is true.
I can't see how she can even take advice on what to do if her father appoints and charges her for his choice of lawyer and her phone and social media use is monitored and restricted.
I can't see how this situation could be resolved, given the fact she is practically under house arrest.

MoltenLasagne · 13/07/2020 09:24

The conservatorship is fact, and as stated in the links is supposed to be reserved for those with exceedingly limited mental capacity which clearly excludes Britney seeing as she has been actively working for the whole time.

Which means that either Britney is working whilst critically unwell so her conservator (her father) is negligible and the conservatorship should be cancelled. Or, the conservatorship is falsely in place so again it should be cancelled.

It is chilling that it has been allowed to continue for so long - in the 21st century an adult woman is completely under control of her father and isn't even allowed to take on her own legal counsel to challenge it.

LemonBreeland · 13/07/2020 09:35

It is utterly terrifying that her father has managed to get this made permanent, with no chance for her to prove that she is better in any way. And let's face it her mental health is not going to improve while locked in her home/prison.

She is basically a performing puppet of her father and making him a fortune.

AskingforaBaskin · 13/07/2020 13:16

I read somewhere that she only had 30% custody because her father hit one of her sons. So how can he care for her when she lost her children because of him.

Sexnotgender · 13/07/2020 13:18

I read this yesterday, it’s absolutely appalling, the poor woman 🙁

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 13/07/2020 13:19

I saw this earlier. It's very concerning.

Apileofballyhoo · 13/07/2020 13:23

Jesus.

Hangingover · 13/07/2020 13:25

Idk what's going on with her but her Insta has got very very odd lately Sad

Pippin2028 · 13/07/2020 13:26

This is awful, poor Britney always looks so sad behind the eyes. It makes me sick thinking about her breakdown and the paparazzi taking her photos whilst she was been carted off. I think Britney has the wrong people around her, she cannot make any decisions for herself and its not about taking care of her, it's about controlling her. If they truly cared for her, she would be living a quiet life with no touring or music and focusing on her wellbeing. I hope one day things may improve for her but I am. sure we don't even know a quarter of what has happened.

Cascade220 · 13/07/2020 13:27

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BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 13/07/2020 13:29

Two pics uploaded to her Insta within a day of each other. Both look identical. Looking through her Insta she does the same pose on 99% of them. She looks so sad.

"Free Britney"
"Free Britney"
Strawberrypancakes · 13/07/2020 13:30

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Hangingover · 13/07/2020 13:30

The walking past the camera repeatedly is really peculiar toi

ReturnofSaturn · 13/07/2020 13:36

Can someone please sum up the Facebook link thing? I can't seem to open it.

I follow Britney on Instagram and I have always liked her.

LemonBreeland · 13/07/2020 13:47

@MoltenLasagne

The conservatorship is fact, and as stated in the links is supposed to be reserved for those with exceedingly limited mental capacity which clearly excludes Britney seeing as she has been actively working for the whole time.

Which means that either Britney is working whilst critically unwell so her conservator (her father) is negligible and the conservatorship should be cancelled. Or, the conservatorship is falsely in place so again it should be cancelled.

It is chilling that it has been allowed to continue for so long - in the 21st century an adult woman is completely under control of her father and isn't even allowed to take on her own legal counsel to challenge it.

This, is so true. It's the inability to even hire her own legal counsel that is the scariest part. How can that be allowed.
LemonBreeland · 13/07/2020 13:48

@ReturnofSaturn here is the Facebook post

PSA on Britney Spears and the #FreeBritney movement for anyone that needs or wants more information on what is going on with her. It’s a fucking rabbit hole, so buckle up.

A little backstory first. Britney was a child star starting at the age of 4 years old on Broadway, and then worked her way to the Mickey Mouse Club, and eventually the solo career we know today. Her career has been on autopilot her entire life. If you look back at her music, she’s been telling everyone for years she’s too controlled and treated as a product if you listen to the lyrics of most of her hits. Examples include: Lucky, Overprotected, My Perogative, Circus, Piece of Me and Gimme More. Her music videos, social media posts, tour props and photoshoots regularly show her in a cage or in chains. If anyone has ever seen videos of her when she was younger, you’d know her REAL singing voice is very similar to Christina Aguilera’s. Her record label didn’t like it, as they were both on the Mickey Mouse Club and about to release their debut albums at the same time. So they had her voice retrained to sing in the baby voice we all know today because they believed it to be more iconic and would create a brand and career for her instead of her real voice. It’s unhealthy, and it’s been destroying her voice over the years, thus why she is known for lip syncing. She wanted to make an acoustic type pop album in 2006 titled Original Doll and reinvent herself using her real voice. The album was shelved and cancelled once her label realized she would be singing in her real voice. She isn’t allowed to sing live because she will either fail terribly, or she’ll have to sing in her deep voice that she isn’t known for. Her entire career she has been treated like a product meant to sell.

Now, for the real tea.
Everyone remembers the 2007 meltdown. Everyone. Leading up the meltdown Britney was going thru a public divorce, had two children under the age of 2 at the time and was VERY much the focus of the public. We all saw her on every magazine cover. We all also saw the photo of her with one of her kids on her lap while driving. Go on YouTube once and look up ‘Britney Spears paparazzi’. You’ll watch her be chased and followed by hundreds of them, even trying to get into a public restroom to photograph her, videotaping her in tears asking them to leave her alone, and even filming her thru the windows of an ambulance while she was naked being taken away for her final mental health hold.

After the public meltdown, shaving her head, locking herself in her home with her children, speaking in a british accent on regular basis, wearing the imfamous pink wig everywhere, and shopping naked, she was hospitalized twice. After the hospitalization, her father petitioned the courts to be a TEMPORARY conservator to her until she was mentally stable and for only one years time. 2 months after her hospitalization she did a guest appearance on How I Met Your Mother. 6 months after her hospitalization, she drops the Womanizer video and starts to promote her new album Circus with its worldwide tour that grossed $131.8 million. If she’s so unwell, why did she start working right away?

Her father after one year petitioned the courts for the conservatorship to become permanent due to her ALLEGEDLY having EARLY ONSET DEMENTIA in her TWENTIES. It passed and has been that way ever since. For 12 years to be exact.

Now for everyone that doesn’t understand what that means let me break it down for you.

Britney Spears is a now 38 year old woman who is not allowed to do the following without her fathers permission or he can legally lock her up in a mental health facility:
• drive a car
• vote
• get married
• have children
• spend HER OWN MONEY
• see how her money is being spent
• see her children (she has 30% custody of both of her boys due to her dad assaulting one of her sons)
• leave her home
• hire her own lawyer
• have any control over her career
• speak about the conservatorship publicly
• do interviews that aren’t scripted and all final cuts are approved by her father as well
• use a cell phone without being monitored
• use social media unmonitored
• contact ANYONE without being monitored or having them extremely vetted. (Iggy Azalea allegedly had her house searched for drugs top to bottom when they collaborated on a song together)
• go shopping
• go for a walk
• get Starbucks

A conservatorship is meant for people with mental health issues or decaying health. Most likely grandparents or people with actual dementia etc. They are meant for people who literally cannot take care of themselves. If she is so unwell that she isn’t mentally capable of doing anything for herself, why is she still working? Since the conservatorship began 12 years ago she has:
• released 4 albums
• done 3 worldwide tours
• did a FOUR-year Vegas residency
• was a full time judge on X-Factor
• released multiple perfumes and a lingerie line
• made $138 MILLION DOLLARS or so A YEAR

In January of last year, Britney was placed in a mental health facility for 3 months after being seen driving her car to In-N-Out with her boyfriend without permission and for refusing to take the sedating medications her father has doctors prescribing her to keep her under control. She testified to a judge in documents that she was held there against her will by her father. After it was leaked to the press that she was there against her will, the Free Britney movement picked up speed causing a judge to open an investigation into the impact and legality her conservatorship has on her life. Britney’s mother Lynn was also liking and commenting on Free Britney posts saying she agrees that Britney is trapped by her father. Britney’s team had Twitter disable the Free Britney hashtag, and regularly threatens any celebrity that speaks out using the hashtag with a lawsuit if they don’t remove their support for the movement. She was seen shortly after leaving a hotel thru the front door (99% of celebrities park underground to avoid paparazzi unless they WANT to be photographed) stumbling while carrying her shoes, and out of it. Her team used that moment to justify to the public that she needs this conservatorship. She is not allowed to have any say in the hiring or firing of anyone on her team. Every year she pays $1.1 million dollars in fees for the conservatorship to continue, including paying her father a solid $100k+ salary and paying a lawyer she isn’t allowed to choose. She is allowed an allowance of around $1,500 a week for bills, shopping and essentials. Her net worth is $250 million.

So, when everyone sees her on Instagram walking up and down her hallways like it’s a fashion show. That’s all she is allowed to do. She has NEVER had control over her life. I don’t care if you personally like her or her music, NO ONE DESERVES THIS. All this woman wants is to see her children, make the music she wants to make, and go get a frappuccino in her car. She is a light of sunshine in this world, and we must protect her at all costs. So please, do not make fun of her, support the Free Britney movement, and send good vibes her way. She has a court date this month to review the conservatorship and decide if it is abusive or will continue to be in place. There are so many details to this that i left out that would make this post entirely much longer than it is, but a simple search will show you what else is out there. Spread this far and wide. ❤️ Free Britney
(C: Brandon Hase)

Edited to add some important links!
Here’s a google doc of info
docs.google.com/…/17jeZV78SCwgQGsOkad0H0PA8jqj…/edit

Petition by Danny H:
petitions.whitehouse.gov/…/conservatorship-and-civi…

Screenshots of leaked emails, voicemails, and other helpful links:

www.businessinsider.com/inside-britney-spears-conse…

www.latimes.com/…/britney-spears-conservatorship-fr…

www.forbes.com/…/making-sense-of-the-britney-spea…/…

Jayden going on Instagram live reporting they were being abused by his grandfather:
theblast.com/c/britney-spears-son-jayden-james-inst…

This is a news article from USA Today about her father’s child abuse allegations filed by Kevin Federline. He reportedly had an altercation with Sean in September 2019:
www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/2362531001

Source from the opposing view pointing to the success of her conservatorship and that fans are wrong, I think it's weird she has made no formal appearances to contest the conservatorship in court but she said (link above) we were not being told the truth and the media is being manipulated:
www.usatoday.com/…/britney-spears-why-d…/2288009001/

There's a lot of money at stake to keep her in this situation. Just seems too convenient that she can't care for herself considering her net worth, and considering the fact her male counterparts of equal stardom with public mental health battles have never been under this much control. This is an issue and question of abuse in conservatorships at large. Unfortunately, the princess of Pop has somehow become the poster child of this type of crisis. While conservatorships can be beneficial when the best interest is at heart, we can't ignore the fact there are companies that profit enormously from people with disabilities by keeping them under extensive legal control. Are they providing the best care? If Britney has been too unwell to care for herself these past 12 years, why would she be made to work tirelessly? World tours? Vegas? X-factor? Her perfume line? Why not let her rest?

Here's a good excerpt from Forbes, it's just not clear what is going on, but my initial gut thinks there is something that is not right.

"In this case, Jamie Spears did not have legal authority to force Britney into treatment or to take psychiatric medications. But that doesn't mean that Britney's reported claim that she was held against her will is wrong. Rather, because Jamie has so much control over Britney's life through the conservatorship - including decisions like whether to get married, to perform or live in Las Vegas, or even if she can drive a car - he easily could have refused to grant consent for Britney to do any number of things unless she agreed to his request to enter the mental health treatment facility.

In other words, Jamie could have indirectly forced her into treatment even if he could not explicitly sign her in against her will. But, even if Jamie Spears did so, he may have done it out of an earnest believe that Britney needed the treatment. TMZ previously reported that Britney was not doing well and her old course of medications stopped working, necessitating heightened treatment."

Take what you will from this, but here are a few petitions to reinstate her rights in August is here -

chng.it/CMfngqyMBj

www.change.org/p/team-britney-freebritney
I got asked to make T-shirts — these do not in anyway help to resolve the issue (i wish they did) but are just to wear for support : www.facebook.com/100003071063138/posts/2904952116283795/?d=n

MonsteraCheeseplant · 13/07/2020 13:51

I have heard rumours of this for years but hoped they were conspiracy theoryesque?

OldQueen1969 · 13/07/2020 14:02

Interesting that this has come up today.

Without wishing to de-rail, I was a bit bored over the weekend and have been down the rabbit hole of a new "conspiracy theory" doing the rounds - which my jury is totally out on.

But from there I was inevitably lead down a trail of the more lurid elements of "control" employed by the entertainment's industry and the possible links to "power structures and systems" from government right down through the judiciary and law enforcement.

The trouble is, as soon as one starts going "Wait, wtaf?" regarding proven and well-documented cover-ups of various scandals, it's all given a tarnish of "tin-foil hat" theatrics that make one sound as bonkers as anyone who believes the Royals are reptilian shapeshifters or flat earth theory.

Most things boil down to power and money.

I agree that Britney's life and career have been a spectacular car-crash and her agency in it all is in doubt to a huge degree.

I hope that whatever is going on she finds some peace and that those supposedly "caring" for her are not actually abusing her.

It tests our critical thinking skills because how can we know for sure what is truth from what is designed to gain attention and revenue in this era of media maipulation, fake news etc etc.

All I can say these days in nothing surprises me any more. How much to believe? Currently above my paygrade.

princesshollysmagicalwand · 13/07/2020 14:07

This story has been doing the rounds online for years, coming to a real head a while ago. I feel desperately sorry for her. She's clearly not well. Her instagram is just bizarre, the weirdly photoshopped images, the 'catwalk'
shoes in her house. She's like a teenager playing at being a grown up. I don't think it's funny at all I think it's sad.

It seems terrible that she has no control over her life. Either she's very very ill, in which case why has she been working, or she's being taken advantage of.

tabulahrasa · 13/07/2020 14:20

@AskingforaBaskin

I read somewhere that she only had 30% custody because her father hit one of her sons. So how can he care for her when she lost her children because of him.
He broke down a door and assaulted him last year and now the son has a restraining order out against him.

But he’s ok to be in charge of her? Hmm

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