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Johnny Depp. What if he loses the libel trial?

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Al1Langdownthecleghole · 09/07/2020 13:29

if he loses, as a domestic abuser, Will his canon of work be cancelled?

Will actors refuse to work with him? Will they condemn him?

Will the Pirates of the Caribbean ride be closed? (Actually there are a few Disney rides that are dodgy with a BLM lens, but that’s a different thread).

I’m willing to bet that nothing will be deleted and that he will continue to be offered work after a period of rehabilitation. Compare and contrast with the treatment JKR or any other woman who, for having a view about biology.

Anyone else care to make a prediction?

Obviously, this is entirely speculative and is not a commentary on the libel action or court proceedings

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LittleEntrepeneur · 11/07/2020 21:59

@EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire But why try to make it look worse? It’s dishonest. And quite calculating.

The pics were of her showing her injuries, so not at a party.

EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire · 11/07/2020 22:02

[quote LittleEntrepeneur]@EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire But why try to make it look worse? It’s dishonest. And quite calculating.

The pics were of her showing her injuries, so not at a party.[/quote]
Honestly? No idea. You'll have to ask Amber that.

Just had a quick Google and I can't find any photos where I would describe her as looking smug.

wildone84 · 11/07/2020 22:11

I can't believe someone just posted something along the lines of: "even though I saw her bruises in a picture, I don't believe her, because her bruise pictures had the wrong filter and she wasn't wearing the right expression."

Jesus wept.

LittleEntrepeneur · 11/07/2020 22:14

@wildone84 That was me who posted that. The point is, what did her injury look like before the filter? Was there even an injury? The photo looks doctored and I don’t think that’s being honest. If she is that sure of her case, why doctor the evidence?

EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire · 11/07/2020 22:16

There are photos without the filter. She had a bruise.

WeeBisom · 11/07/2020 22:16

Little entrepreneur: how can you say you “believe him” (I presume you believe he never laid a finger on her) while conceding she has a bruised face? She’s also shown pictures of her bare scalp with a huge clump of hair pulled out. Depp has admitted to head butting her “by accident” after a recording was played of him talking about head butting her. Depp’s story is that this is a massive hoax that was planned by Amber from even before they started dating. That sounds pretty incredible. I can’t believe we are watching the same trial!

wildone84 · 11/07/2020 22:19

It's quite a bold move to photoshop a bruise into a photo. Based on his previous violent behaviour, his addiction, and what has come to light in this case, if she says he gave her a bruise, I believe her.

I'm not saying she also wasn't also violent towards him.

wildone84 · 11/07/2020 22:21

In texts he also jokes about wanting to drown her, burn her and have sex with her dead body. Does this sound like someone who would never lay a finger on his spouse?

At some point you have to look at the weight of evidence against him and see that he is an abuser.

SmiledWithTheRisingSun · 11/07/2020 22:22

They both seem vile!

BBCONEANDTWO · 11/07/2020 22:26

@contactusdeletus

I've lived with more than one addict and while I don't believe Amber Heard to be a saint, I find it really hard to believe the story Depp is spinning. There's just no way he can be as innocent as he claims. It would make his reactions and behaviour unique among addicts.

It's impossible to deny at this stage that Depp was an alcoholic who habitually abused marijuana, cocaine and MDMA, often alongside the booze. Alcohol and cocaine seems to have been a favoured combination of his. This combination is known to increase depression and aggressive behaviour. Personally I've known people to start fights on it, to hit total strangers on it, and in more than one case, to hang themselves while on it. It's a dangerous combination that brings out the absolute worst in people.

The idea is that the coke will bring you "up" and counteract the depressive effect of the alcohol, but it often has the opposite result, hard wiring you into a heightened state of negative emotion. I suspect the MDMA was Depp's attempt to counter this, but MDMA burns through your serotonin stores in one short burst, leaving you depressed and "flat" for days or even weeks afterwards, as your body tries to rebuild those stores.

Then there's the marijuana, and I think we all know the side effect of too much marijuana. Just in case you don't: it's paranoia. Everyone is out to get you, everyone thinks the worst of you, everyone is lying to you.

So, a man addicted to and habitually abusing these substances is depressed, aggressive, and paranoid. It doesn't matter what he was like before. He really could have been a sweet, gentle soul who wouldn't hurt a fly. But then he began abusing mood-altering substances. And over time he lost his ability to feel happiness. He became angry and negative in his thinking. He came to see his wife as an enemy rather than a partner. He found it easy to believe she was cheating on him. He belittled her, tried to frighten her by smashing objects around her, and treated her roughly. At the very least. We know these things. We've seen evidence of them, lots of it from Depp's own mouth.

We know he chased his wife around the house like something out of the Shining, scrawling on the walls with the top of his own cut-off finger. This is not normal behaviour. It points to a man whose addiction is completely out of control. But now he's talking about this period in his life as if he had rock solid self control and the patience of a saint. Every time Amber behaved in a provocative or violent way, we're told, Johnny withdrew to a corner or went off and read a book. He never once retaliated and harmed her, not even when he was completely off his head on mood altering substances.

It's this poor little lamb act that makes me think he's guilty. He's an addict and they're not capable of reacting like that.

My father was an alcoholic. Just alcohol. He was a gentle man when sober, and never hit me. But if he was even moderately drunk, he would shout at me (right up in my face), "gesture" with knives and tools, smash my things, punch the walls, loom over me, drag me by the arm, push me roughly aside, call me stupid and a bitch, make fun of my mannerisms . . . you name it, he did it. And all of this was with me managing him as best I could. Agreeing with him or getting out of his way or being careful to show no reaction. If I had put it up to my dad in any way - if I'd screamed at him or hit him - I have no doubt whatsoever it would have ended with him lashing out at me. And my father was not a "bender" drunk. He was slow and steady, tipping away at a bottle for most of the day. Now picture Depp. He's my father, but with added drugs, and it's all hit his system at once, and someone is actually attacking him. He didn't take that meekly . There's just no fucking way.

You know what I bet he did do though? I bet he sobered up and refused to believe what people told him of his actions. I bet he tried to justify them. I bet he denied them, and accused anyone who didn't have proof of lying about it. I bet he gaslit everyone around him, until they started to record his actions. And then I bet he got angry, and accused them of setting him up and violating his privacy. Or provoking him. And if he couldn't defend his actions, I bet he broke down in tears. Insisting this isn't who he truly is. Remember how gentle he used to be? How kind? That's the real him, and it's cruel of anyone to claim his one mistake erases that. It's really vindictive. And anyway, if you really loved him, you wouldn't get up on your high horse and judge him. You'd forgive him and try to help him.

And then next time, when you haven't saved him from himself, he can leave off holding himself accountable for his actions and project all that blame onto you instead.

This is what addicts are like. It's how they think and behave. I've known too many of them, and they're all the same. They really are.

There's also the bonus, scary side effect of long term substance abuse, which is that their memory is affected. They can often swear something didn't happen and really mean it. They really don't remember. Even if it happened ten minutes ago. (This also causes them to repeat themselves, so you get trapped in the Never-Ending Argument. Living with an addict is a special kind of hell.)

My father did seek help eventually. He's been sober for years now, is completely non-violent, and takes accountability for all his past actions. But I think a lot of people would refuse to believe he was capable of the things he did back then. They wouldn't be able to picture it. He never even raises his voice anymore. But it's all true. I live with those two dads in my mind. The old one and the new.

I suppose my point is: don't underestimate addiction. It's a monster, and it can make a monster of anyone.

Thank you for this amazing post - sorry about your dad.

Your post is very knowledgeable and real to me and it sums up addiction. Thank you for sharing.

longwayoff · 11/07/2020 22:35

I don't believe that anyone with a serious and admitted drink and variety of drugs habit, of some years, has total recall. Anyone who has behaved in the ways evidenced and described is unlikely to be telling the whole truth about events, intentionally, or otherwise. They both sound utterly revolting given the things they're happy to admit to. Imagination falters as to what's not being said.

longwayoff · 11/07/2020 22:42

@contactusdeletus, brilliantly described, couldn't be put better. Good wishes to you and your dad.

blissfulllife · 11/07/2020 22:42

@contactusdeletus absolutely hit the nail on the head!

From a daughter of an addict who refused to acknowledge anything she did to me when she was in the grips of alcoholism and drug addiction. Till the day she died she couldn't accept what she'd done to her children.

He sits there in court making her out to be the bad persons....which maybe she has elements of 🤷‍♂️ while admitting to being a drug addled alcoholic mess!

He's all ..."oh ok I might have taken drugs and been drunk but SHE was being unreasonable"

What's reasonable about being an addict yourself.

The part About her withholding his rehab drugs reminded me of my dad abusing hospital staff to get his extra prescription drugs, begging and accusing them of being cruel as he went through withdrawal. All while his liver was failing.

Russellbrandshair · 11/07/2020 22:49

@contactusdeletus excellent post!

I’ve seen the photos of him passed out on the floor and I agree- how on earth can he be sure he didn’t hit her if her can’t remember everything and was blacking out? I’ve been around addicts when they’ve said or done the most awful things and yet the next day they swore blind it didn’t happen even when it was witnessed by others they were still in utter denial that it didn’t happen!

I honestly don’t know how anyone can even take a side in this case. They are both coming across as narcissistic, self destructive, toxic addicts who appear to enjoy (or at least feel compelled to) damage themselves and others. How anyone can read those transcripts and texts and decide TEAM JD/AH is beyond me.

As far as I can see, it’s like choosing between two STDs.

RonaldMcDonald · 12/07/2020 04:51

His written and verbal evidence are Wildly at odds
It is clear that his behaviour whilst on the plane was physically abusive
His personal assistant had to break it to him when he awoke from his stupor and poor JD cried and cried
Then apologised - this was evidence he had kicked her in the back

There seems to be little understanding of Domestic Abuse on this thread
Putting someone in fear is abusive. I believe Depp was such a drug abuser that he doesn’t have an idea how vile he is whilst out of it.
I believe she began to use reactive violence toward him - never knowing which JD she’d get and when
Additionally, for someone who has had multiple beatings, an abusive partner talking about how you hit them is wildly infuriating. This in addition to the gaslighting of it never happened this is why you get the exasperated AH on those tapes.

There is a ton of evidence against him. I am interested why people want to look away

ChristmasKitties · 12/07/2020 09:42

People want to look away because they can’t square away JD from ‘beloved celebrity’ to JD ‘drug addled abuser’ .

I don’t like the insinuation that just because AH wasn’t a passive victim she wasn’t being subject to abuse.

DidoLamenting · 12/07/2020 09:57

There seems to be little understanding of Domestic Abuse on this thread
Putting someone in fear is abusive

There seems to me very little doubt in this thread that putting someone in fear is abusive. It is perfectly possible to be mentally abusive and coercive without ever laying a hand on the victim. Has anyone disputed that?

That isn't however the point of the case. The Sun has accused him of being a wife- beater- physically hitting her.

AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter · 12/07/2020 10:31

I don’t like the insinuation that just because AH wasn’t a passive victim she wasn’t being subject to abuse

I agree. Its perfectly possible for her to have been abusive AND for him to have hit her and abused her. This trial isnt about her, its about him and the crux if it is: is he a wife beater? The fact she goaded him is irrelevant- he always, ALWAYS had the choice to walk away, leave the room, get on his private jet and remove himself from the situation. But thats generally what people who want to avoid violence and confrontation do, and he clearly didnt do that.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 12/07/2020 11:54

People want to look away because they can’t square away JD from ‘beloved celebrity’ to JD ‘drug addled abuser’ that certainly seems to be the case in some posts!

I don’t like the insinuation that just because AH wasn’t a passive victim she wasn’t being subject to abuse. But you have to counter that with jst because she is a woman doesn't mean she is the only victim.

But, as many have said, that isn't the court case and, regardless of what I think about The Sun, did they cross a line calling a self confessed abusive man a "wife beater"?

And that doesn't matter if she was manipulative, lying, truthful, abusive, saint or devil.

Nor does it matter if he was in the grips of any addiction, manipulative, lying, truthful, abusive, saint or devil.

Nor does it matter that, even if you only take their own words, that have been shared via social media, them in person, speaking to micphne/camera, that they are both unstable, abusive individuals, best off apart, probably needing some sort of therapy, by the bucketload.

The only thing that matters in law is... did a red top cross a tabloid line?

WhereYouLeftIt · 12/07/2020 12:08

"Will actors refuse to work with him? Will they condemn him?"
One word. Polanski.

DidoLamenting · 12/07/2020 13:15

"Will actors refuse to work with him? Will they condemn him?"

You can ask the same question for her. She hardly comes out of this smelling of roses.

No. I don't think actors will refuse to work with him. Whatever Depp did or didn't do or indeed whatever Heard did or didn't do it's nowhere near Polanski.

KarenKuruma · 12/07/2020 13:19

Brilliant post @contactusdeletus !

IMO it's quite simple really though. Did the s*n have a reasonable belief that a drink-and-drug-addicted male, with a restraining order for DV and history of physical violence against women, had hit his wife? I'd say that was a reasonable conclusion. Then, did JD lose out financially because of this specific headline? I'd say he didn't - the rest of his behaviour that led to this being a reasonable conclusion did that on its own.

And yes, AH may well be an abuser too, but that's not what the case is trying to prove. If anything, proving she is abusive would make it more likely imo that someone who is off their face would respond physically! No matter how "nice" they were usually. So him proving she is abusive and he is just a poor misunderstood drunken cokehead edges my opinion more towards the antithesis than to what I'm "supposed" to believe by JD.

ZombieLizzieBennet · 15/07/2020 14:46

I also thought Amber, her sister and her solicitor turning up to court, all beautifully turned out in elegant black , sisterly holding hands was so contrived and fake. Why does she even need a solicitor? Witnesses are not entitled to legal representation and her solicitor has no locus to speak in court.

She doesn't, but I can see why she would choose to use some of her extensive funds to pay a solicitor to be there to explain everything to her. She's a witness, it's evidently very important to her and it's a legal system there's no reason for her to be familiar with. Less clear on why she felt the need to hold hands with them, mind.

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