Johnny Depp. What if he loses the libel trial?

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if he loses, as a domestic abuser, Will his canon of work be cancelled?

Will actors refuse to work with him? Will they condemn him?

Will the Pirates of the Caribbean ride be closed? (Actually there are a few Disney rides that are dodgy with a BLM lens, but that’s a different thread).

I’m willing to bet that nothing will be deleted and that he will continue to be offered work after a period of rehabilitation. Compare and contrast with the treatment JKR or any other woman who, for having a view about biology.

Anyone else care to make a prediction?

Obviously, this is entirely speculative and is not a commentary on the libel action or court proceedings

I bet he rues the day he left Vanessa Paradis!
I remember reading that when they split he gave her half his assets despite never having been legally married because it was a marriage to him to all intents and purposes. I wonder if that's true.
If VP is willing to testify in support of him, then I'd be inclined to believe her when she says he wasn't abusive. She could really put the boot in if she was so inclined, since left her for AH.
Smashing up houses and saying what he did is abusive behaviour imo but it's not exactly the same as actually being a wife beater.

There is no way in hell he didn't lay his hands on her. Going by the recordings she hit him too.
Whatever the outcome, it was an abusive ,fucked up relationship on both counts. Their only saving grace is that it ended before it was too late.

The people going on about a "good ,kind " man are deluded.

I’m not casting doubt on Paradis’ innocence but I wouldn’t automatically believe someone defending a man who’d given them $150 million.

Johnny dated Winona Ryder when she was 17 and he was 27. He destroyed a hotel room in a fit of rage when he was dating Kate Moss. He's been awful for a long time.
He's 8 years older than Winona. I think I dated a 24 yr old when I was 17. As Hollywood age gaps go it's not that big. The gap between him and Heard is almost 20 years.

Is anyone calling for her work to be cancelled?

Yes, I believe she is to be replaced in the Aqua Man sequel.

I think they're as bad as each other. I think he's been a complete pig in his personal relationships for a long time and met his match in her. I heard there was a great deal more to the him and Kate Moss hotel room story than was ever reported too.

The talk on this thread about JD being found innocent or guilty in the court case is doing my head in

It's a libel trial, which is civil and not criminal. The issue in question before the court is whether The Sun can prove that what they printed about JD is true

Very true.

Libel cases are odd in that the person being sued , the defendant, has to prove what was true, on a balance of probabilities , rather than in every other civil case where the pursuer has to prove their case.

If The Sun proves what they said was true or that it was fair comment (i.e.the statement was a view that a reasonable person could have held) Depp is going to end up with a huge bill for costs.

If they fail they will get landed with his. I can't find what sum, if any, he is claiming. He might not get any or limited damages if the court decides that The Sun didn’t prove he was a wife beater but did prove he didn't have much of a good reputation to lose.

He’s a mess of a person and they 100% shouldn’t be together but whether the court can prove he physically abused her I’m not sure. In my book smashing up the house, belongings etc and showing that loss of control for the purpose of intimidating someone is abusive. They both come out of this looking like disgusting characters tbh and I hope that is noted. It’s not cool or romantic or artistic to take drugs and speak
horribly to people and bash things up, it’s just pretty low, juvenile behaviour.

There are a lot of double standards in this story and those attitudes are difficult to unpick.

JD is obviously a very troubled person who has a bad relationship with both drink and drugs.

AH is obviously also a troubled person who has control issues and anger problems. Previous partners have talked about how she lashes out.

It is obvious to everyone outside if their relationship that they were a bad combination of personalities. There was certainly ongoing abuse. What is less obvious is who was the abuser who held the power in the relationship.

The tapes suggest that A was very emotionally controlling and verbally, if not emotionally abusive. She has already admitted hitting him and evidence has been provided by security staff that she hurt him. She hasn’t been cancelled or labelled a wife beater

What is less clear from the evidence so far is any evidence of abuse by JD. He is undoubtedly an drug addict who is unstable.

The whole point of the trail is to establish whether or not he is a ‘wife beater’ as claimed by the Sun. I’m not sure proven drug addict = definitely a wife beater.

And given AH’s previous manufacturing of evidence for their divorce I would find any evidence she is providing for this trial suspect.

I’m not sure if is good feminism to let women who are abusers off the hook. AH has done a lot to damage support for women who experience domestic abuse.

Shouting, screaming, smashing stuff and hitting things clearly is abusive and he admits this.

Doesn't make him a wife beater tho.

Its weird his celebrity is making everyone so keen to debate whether he is an abuser if this was an anonymous story on relationships board everyone would say he was abusive and she needs to LTB. For some reason because he is a celeb it seems that him being abusive is reasonable in certain circumstances
That's even worse on a feminist board. Victim blaming at its worst.

Previous partners have talked about how she lashes out.

Do you have a source for this? I know two of her exes have defended her, can’t find anything on google about this.

I’m not victim blaming.

She has admitted to throwing vodka bottle at him and hitting him.

I’m not saying his isn’t a wide beater. I’m saying that this trial is trying to establish the truth if that statement. All the evidence at the moment is that he has a drug problem.

Amber Heard was stopped by a police officer in an airport during an altercation with her girlfriend that had become violent. The girlfriend never pressed charges.

eu.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2016/06/07/amber-heard-arrested-2009-charge-hitting-girlfriend/85563338/

If Heard was a man we would all be up in arms about her behaviour.

As I said before. They are both obviously messed up. But it is not clear cut here who is the abuser.

@nauticant amen

Jack Sparrow appears at the end of the POTC rides. JD has replaced the animatronic JS to surprise visitors.

I’ve seen AH in that Aquaman movie, she was really terrible.

When I first heard about this I automatically sided with AH, being a woman. But the more I read, the more I began to see him as the victim. I think JKR must have has some insider information to continue to support him. If AH has falsely accused him, faking her own bruises etc, as has been alleged, she is an absolutely awful person who is making things worse for all the women who are suffering in genuine DV situations. In any case, I think his career is finished no matter what the outcome, which is a real shame. I don’t think people’s personal lives should affect their careers except in extreme cases, but if they do, it should be done consistently. If one violent man is going to be “cancelled”, all violent men should be, but there are still many of them working in Hollywood.

@Bananabixfloof

I have actually missed most of this because I'm back at work. But the shit in the bed nugget was puzzling me last night.
Has she admitted to it and said why?

She said it was a practical joke.

They both sound awful.
I imagine this is what happens when two narcissistic abusers get together. They love bomb each other, and then all hell breaks loose.
Whatever AH did or said JD is responsible for his actions. As a man he is bigger and stronger and could do serious damage. Her behaviour may be reprehensible but I do believe her. I believe her even more having read the court transcripts, he talks like an abuser, takes no responsibility for his behaviour at all and blames everyone else. So many people are in thrall to the veneer they can't see past it.

JDs own daughter said AH was a good influence on him. The mind boggles!

Amber Heard was stopped by a police officer in an airport during an altercation with her girlfriend that had become violent. The girlfriend never pressed charges.

Not quite.

Amber Heard was stopped by airport official (who later called police) in an an altercation which all involved denies involved violence. Her wife didn’t “not press charges” she actively insisted (and still insists to this day) that there was no violence and that Amber was a wonderful partner throughout their relationship.

I have no doubt that she did abuse him. But I also have no doubt due to the evidence, that he beat her, that he assaulted the other women who have accused him of assault, and the evidence suggests that he is lying about certain things.

She said it was a practical joke
Thank you girl for replying.

Doesn't seem very funny to me. But maybe it's just not my humour.

I think whatever happens his star has lost a lot of his sparkle. Far too much unpleasant information has been revealed and I think he has sustained permanent damage. I’m not sure the studios will be racing to bankroll the next big Johnny Depp vehicle. I’m sure he has powerful friends, so if he wins, heads off to rehab, and emerges contrite and clean then maybe he could salvage something of his career - but I don’t think anybody is going to come out of this looking like a winner. It’s all just too ugly

I still think he is one of the most amazing actors, but their relationship has to be the perfect anti drugs advert. I'm surprised no one has had a pop about cultural appropriation yet because of his hair do in 'Pirates.

Or maybe he is the best anti-drugs advert....he has admitted during the libel trial that she was trying to stop him from taking drugs.....

@narrowboatgirl

Which other women have accused him of assault?

You seem awfully quick to dismiss all the evidence that AH has a temper. She was arrested and the prosecutor decided not to peruse charges.

I like to look at the facts. Amber has admitted to hitting him, throwing things and shutting is his bed. She sounds horrible.

Have you listened to the tapes fully? She comes off as controlling and emotionally abusive.

As I said, I have no doubt he was horrible to live with in the throws of drug addiction. But that is not what he’s been accused of here. What is being tested is Amber’s assertion that he hit her on multiple occasions.

Whether it can be proved, I doubt, but there is also no doubt in my mind that he was violent towards her, as she was him. He clearly has huge issues with alcohol and drugs, there are lots of I don’t remembers, probably because he doesn’t, but someone with that level of a problem is not in any sort of control. He is an amazing actor yes, she is by no means innocent in this either but they are both as bad as each other.

The exes saying he was not abusive don’t count for anything at all. It is well known that alcoholism gets worse and how he was back then is not a reflection on how he is now.

BelleSausage Amber’s sister accused him of punching her, and the disabled woman professor who was badly attacked and had her arms broken was certainly his attack even if it wasn’t his own literal hands that inflicted it.

I don’t know why you think I’m defending Amber when I’ve written that I believe she physically abused him. I simply disagree on the way some posters are turning a blind eye to, twisting and discrediting so much in order to portray JD as an innocent victim. For example, Amber is on the record as admitting that she hit him. Why the need to gild the lily by twisting and misrepresenting so many small details of the incident with her wife? Other posters have attacked and discredited the “Jane Doe” who sued him for assault, simply because how dare some anonymous woman be against poor Gentle Soul tm Johnny!

For example saying “they decided not to press charges” is a misrepresentation. Certain stages have “Mandatory Arrest” laws governing DV charges, the police were legally obligated to arrest Amber due to the phone call made by the male airport official (the one Amber’s wife alleged was misogynistic and homophobic). They didn’t decide to arrest her, it’s literally the law that arrest is mandatory in that state. There was never any possibility of charges. Her wife insists Amber was gentle and wonderful, yet that’s been changed to a flat “didn’t press charges.”

Belle, you posted upthread alleging that multiple former partners have released public statements claiming that Amber used to “lash out”, but you’ve ducked questions about which former partners these were and refused to give a source. There’s not a word about this anywhere on google or in the media, which is nonsensical given how high profile this case is. Were you telling porkies? If so, why do you feel the need to lie to smear Amber as a serial abuser? Why are the tapes and evidence that she abused JD not enough for you?