Johnny Depp. What if he loses the libel trial?

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if he loses, as a domestic abuser, Will his canon of work be cancelled?

Will actors refuse to work with him? Will they condemn him?

Will the Pirates of the Caribbean ride be closed? (Actually there are a few Disney rides that are dodgy with a BLM lens, but that’s a different thread).

I’m willing to bet that nothing will be deleted and that he will continue to be offered work after a period of rehabilitation. Compare and contrast with the treatment JKR or any other woman who, for having a view about biology.

Anyone else care to make a prediction?

Obviously, this is entirely speculative and is not a commentary on the libel action or court proceedings

Sorry “arms dislocated” not “arms broken.”

@narrowboatgirl

You are over invested in this. Everyone is allowed opinions. I think they both come out of this badly.

What I am replying to is the accusation of victim blaming. It is not clear from the evidence provided which one of them was a victim. It sounds like a very messed up relationship.

It takes minutes to find stories like this about AH

www.standard.co.uk/insider/alist/amber-heard-denies-assistant-claims-verbally-mentally-abusive-a4385576.html

BelleSausage you’ve repeatedly made up lies to smear Amber as a serial abuser and paint JD as an angel, while I’ve repeatedly stated that I believe both were abusive. I’m not the overinvested one.

I’m still waiting for you to provide the names of the two former partners of Amber who have gone on the record to say that she lashes out. Please provide the two names and where their statements can be found.

A case where you've got two abusers at odds with each other with fans on each side saying "your abuser is worse than my abuser". There are times when it's best to step back and leave it to the lawyers and the court.

This is common in domestic violence situations....

@narrowboatgirl

Why do you care so much? They are both obviously not great people. I don’t know how many ways I can say this before you understand my meaning.

I don’t think she is a nice person. I don’t think he is a nice person. But she is the only one of them on record admitting to hitting a partner.

@BelleSausage

Which of Amber's former partners have accused her of domestic violence?

This is common in domestic violence situations.... And sometimes it is true!

If you only take what either of them has said, openly, they are both highly volatile people. Neither of them are calm, stable or consistent - if you only go by what they each have said (as in been taped saying not reported as!)

It is pointless to defend either of them!

But it will be interesting to see how this weird, ill conceived court case ends!

And fuck me, aren't The Sun gunning for him... every day, in every way?!?! I wonder, if they lose, will all of that be taken into consideration... not the gist of what they print, but the way they have published it all!

As I said yesterday - he is nose deep in The Streisand Effect and still walking!

@EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire

Depp’s laywers took depositions from Heard’s former partners (not Tasya Van Ree) as part of their divorce proceedings in which they accused her of being violent.

But it is all sealed evidence as part of their divorce proceedings.

And I’m going to say again. One last time. For those at the back.

They are both despicable people. But what really annoys me is that her admission of shitting in his bed, punching him and cutting the end of one of his fingers off with a broken vodka bottle is being waved away.

MIL has a ‘D’H whose ex has never pressed charges and spoke up for him on multiple occasions. So she assumed his other ex- who made accusations about him- that he told her was crazy was fabricating things because they had broken up.

It was only when his daughter made allegations of emotional abuse against him that social services got involved and she got to read the police reports from his first marriage. He is a serial abuser and has a deep narcissism issue. His first ex wife had called the police numerous times during their marriage.

But she smiled and laughed and defrauded him to MILs face. Because she is still frightened of him and wants and easy life.

Human psychology is strange. Abusers have a hold over you. Even when they are gone.

MIL still hasn’t left him. Despite the fact he beat her bloody twice. Because he is now a ‘changed man’. 🙄

I would be wary of believing the exes of either AH or JD in this case.

The thing that frightens me is this type of codependent relationship is now lauded in reality for tv and magazine’s as being fashionable.

Watch any realty tv show and there will be drinking and fall outs usually with nasty language and threats of violence.

What kind of message are we sending to young adults that this is a healthy way to live?

I do hear the people who are annoyed that Heard’s alleged abuse isn’t being given attention and is being waved away. But this is due to the nature of the case itself. The case is NOT Depp versus Heard. The case is not about finding out who was the worse abuser, and who was really the most to blame. Rather, this case is entirely Depp versus the Sun newspaper, and it’s focused on just one single issue- the issue of whether Depp was a “wife beater”. The Sun has to prove the truth of their statement, and Depp completely denies it.

I can appreciate why it’s frustrating but that is why allegations of Heard’s abusive behaviour are being skimmed over - they simply are not completely relevant to the proceedings. Suppose Depp manages to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was a victim and Heard really is an awful controlling abuser. So what ? This doesn’t help him. It’s still compatible with him being a wife beater - he might have hit her as well.

This case is about one issue alone - whether Depp was a wife beater. And its not unfair for the case to be just focused on this one question because Depp brought the case. This is entirely his rodeo and is for his benefit - he is not on trial, the Sun is.

I kind of object to the idea that because someone breaks objects/trashes rooms, or is verbally abusive, they also must be physically abusive.

It's often the case that people do all these things, but it's also the case that people who are significantly out of control may have some line they don't easily cross for whatever reason.

It's one thing to wonder whether someone was being physically abusive because they seem abusive or out of control in other ways, and another to say that they always go together.

But what really annoys me is that her admission of shitting in his bed, punching him and cutting the end of one of his fingers off with a broken vodka bottle is being waved away.

Can't comment on the first two, as I know nothing about it, but I do know he was cross examined on the last a couple of days ago, and no, she hasn't admitted that. In fact there's contemporaneous evidence he told people he'd done it himself, and when shown that evidence, he didn't claim he'd been covering for her or anything. He just denied that that was what the words meant.

I'm not going to be reading more on this because I felt really intrusive, just seeing this much. I have no clue what the findings will be. But he hasn't exactly convinced me, with his evidence as reported there, that she's as bad as he is. And your representation of the evidence is not accurate.

They are both despicable people. But what really annoys me is that her admission of shitting in his bed, punching him and cutting the end of one of his fingers off with a broken vodka bottle is being waved away.

Where are these admissions?

It's often the case that people do all these things, but it's also the case that people who are significantly out of control may have some line they don't easily cross for whatever reason.

You're forgetting a lot of these happened under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs. While possible, it's highly unlikely that someone under the influence can maintain enough control of themselves while lashing out to trash a room but not lay a finger (even by accident) on the other person in the room.

He's the one who was libelled, or not. He's the one suing the paper. The decision is not about what she did, is it? It's whether he was correctly called a wife beater. What she did doesn't alter that. An adult man with superior height, strength, reach and grip, if being attacked, can decide whether to withdraw and avoid, if they can, or just defend themselves with appropriate force, or to escalate. The other person, whether instigating the attack or not, doesn't need to apply for sainthood at any point.

@AgnesNaismith

They are in the depositions.

Just looked at the finger thing and it seems odd that he has given so many versions of what happened. If she threw the bottle, would it crush the bone as well as cut the flesh? I'm no expert on trajectories but I do know women don't have the arm length or upper body musculature to throw objects as hard or as far as men. It doesn't seem likely. Was the bottle broken before it was thrown? If not, it seems unlikely it would splinter, slice a finger and crush a bone in flight.

I studied matric physics and it makes no sense to me, but my studies were a long time ago!

@ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble

It's often the case that people do all these things, but it's also the case that people who are significantly out of control may have some line they don't easily cross for whatever reason.

You're forgetting a lot of these happened under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs. While possible, it's highly unlikely that someone under the influence can maintain enough control of themselves while lashing out to trash a room but not lay a finger (even by accident) on the other person in the room.

I don't consider accidentally hurting someone to be beating them, though obviously you are at fault if you do something violent and someone unintentionally gets hurt.

But I still disagree that we can make the leap - he was trashing rooms under the influence so he must have been in a state to be violent with people too. People are far more likely to overstep all kinds of lines under the influence of drugs and booze, there is no doubt about that. And there are some drugs that create a very scary sort of disassociation where people seem to have little relation to their own selves and do some seriously weird stuff, (meth comes to mind.) But I think many people, even under the influence of drugs, never do certain things. Most drug abusers never murder anyone, for example. They hold to some line of civilisation.

[quote Hoggleludo]@AgnesNaismith

They are in the depositions. [/quote]
But if that's an admission of hers, why was he being cross examined on doing it himself? That makes no sense at all. It can't be in her deposition, but in his, and an allegation by one side is not an admission by the other.

If someone's reading someone's allegations as the other side's admissions, no wonder the picture is confused.

Hmm, looking in more detail at the injured finger thing, him ripping the phone out of the wall and then bashing it against the wall is a more likely source of a crush injury. And his reported (by her) comment of "Look what you made me do!" has a ring of truth, having been uttered by every out of control violent person ever to whoever is around!

We'll just have to wait and see.

Logically it seems extremely unlikely that throwing a vodka bottle (relevant that this was alcohol when JD was supposed to be not drinking and being supported by AH to detox) would result in severing a finger and crushing of bone.

It seems much more likely that these would be injuries self-infected whilst off your head and then blamed on the person trying to keep you sober - anger because they tried to restrain and then blame - look at what you made me do.

According to the court case today - AH has not admitted to crapping in his (ie their marital) bed.

But the Sun newspaper could argue that they were justified in referring to him as a wife beater because AH was granted a restraining order on the basis on court accepted evidence of DV.

He seems to want to challenge the Sun referring to the original finding by arguing he was the real victim all along and he is the victim of a miscarriage of justice but he let it go for her sake and because he is basically a nice guy - 'a real southern gentleman'.

Also you have to consider narcissistic supply when JD, AH and a specialist detox nurse went to the private island.

JD really was addicted and trying to withdraw but paid staff are not emotionally involved and won't tolerate verbal and physical violence - not to mention falling off the wagon. So the nurse was on the other side of the island.

AH was clearly naive to imagine that JD would be grateful and would reward her with love but there is no narcissistic pay off in actually helping an addict withdraw. Too much hard work for no discernible reward.

For JD on the other hand ...

Depp is not on trial, not for being a drunk, drug addict, assaulting AH or any other despicable behaviour.

The Sun have to prove he was a wife beater as cited by Dan Wootton. How are they going to do that?

By exposing how out of control his addiction was, they give the picture of an aggressive man while ignoring or minimising her abuse so that others believe he was a wife beater even if there is no evidence and even if he wins his case.

Smoke and mirrors.