Eric Joyce pleads guilty to offence of making indecent image of child

[RoyalCorgi]

Looks like he might go to jail.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/07/ex-labour-mp-eric-joyce-faces-jail-after-admitting-child-abuse-image-offence

Exactly, for some unfathomable reason the fact that she has stayed with him got him the lenient sentence. If they have split (they haven't) someone lied in court.

I really don't understand the position with her daughter, how can anyone, professional or otherwise, possibly be Ok with that?

Oh ffs that convicted Eric Joyce still on twitter.

Don’t these guys have no shame. I mean pictures of children and infants being sexually abused

At what point do they feel any shame and have a think or is it just any anonymous child and infant getting sexually abused is of no concern to these abusers

These are not victimless crimes.

A baby under 12 months.

The love of a good woman. Ffs

@RoyalCorgi

To be fair she may be separated from him now and needs to keep the day job.

His defence barrister's plea for mitigation included the statement that he had a supportive partner who was keeping him on the straight and narrow. In court, he gave IK's address as his residence.

The problem is a verdict is a verdict. If only the courts had a way to ensure convicts adhered to the terms of the courts ruling, eh ?

(Which they do, of course. But only for the wrong sort of criminal ...)

From Julie birchall twitter below

Wash your hands, Lady Macbeth @indiaknight , lest the blood of raped babies stain them every time you make a cuppa for @ericjoyce

"To be fair she may be separated from him now and needs to keep the day job."

Thank you for pointing out that this appears not to be the case.

I am truly appalled.

There’s an interview with Andrew O’Hagan in the Observer today which makes it clear that their daughter is now living with him.

@twoHopes

The spam email thing is bullshit. People don't send category A child abuse videos (i.e. the kind of stuff that puts you straight in prison) to random people on the internet. Why would they?

I don't know much about India Knight but I hope she's ok.

I think there's more to the case than that.

To addresss your skepticism - it's unlikely but this could technically happen to anyone. Have you ever heard stories of people being attacked totally at random in the park or something like that? You find put that it was totally unprovoked and the two people were unknown to each other? Emailing something illegal and horrifying is a lot less effort than that. Some people are mentally ill or truly sadistic. Email addresses are easy to find.

The prosecutor said there was evidence of searches 'for material for five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10-year-old girls'.

'There's reference to titles which the Crown suggest are indicative of category A movies - 'two men rape girl',' he said.

'There's certainly browser activity which suggests he's been searching for that material but we have no other information as to whether in fact he viewed that material.

'It seems highly likely.'

Oh and this vile excuse for a man is still tweeting as if nothing happened! And has the audacity to block replies.

@Definitelyrandom

There’s an interview with Andrew O’Hagan in the Observer today which makes it clear that their daughter is now living with him.

So she made her choice - or the dad made the decision? Or maybe the courts?

Well spotted, Serenity. Link here:

www.theguardian.com/books/2020/aug/30/andrew-ohagan-if-you-are-honest-you-never-stop-being-who-you-were

Almost certainly social services would have stepped in and said that the daughter cannot live in the same house as a sex offender. (I notice in India's column yesterday she mentions her daughter going back to school but doesn't say anything about the living arrangement.)

Sorry, I should have said, well spotted Definitelyrandom.

@SerenityNowwwww I think it must take a long time to process something like that, to accept it. She's known him her whole life. He's her father. Also, goodness knows what kind of psychological state she's in.

I watched a documentary about pedophiles the other day and the ones who download and share images quite often don't get custodial sentences (think it was 20%), even ones with hundreds of photos. I believe Eric Joyce only had one so can see how this has happened.

So Eric Joyce is still tweeting... and a doctor just got a suspended sentence for the same crime. It seems like the establishment don’t see child abuse as much of a crime.
I read an interview with Charlie Gilmour who actually went to prison for the crime of swinging from the cenotaph despite it coming out later that he had mental health problems and dealing with the rejection from his abusive father.
Justice system in this country is a disgrace.

Justice system in this country is a disgrace.

We don't have a justice system, we have a legal system. Completely different thing. Calling an apple an orange doesn't make it so.

@ProfessorSlocombe Whatever the semantics it’s pretty unjust to hand out such lenient sentences to child abusers. You obviously don’t agree.

[quote FizzAfterSix]@ProfessorSlocombe Whatever the semantics it’s pretty unjust to hand out such lenient sentences to child abusers. You obviously don’t agree.[/quote]
I didn't say it wasn't unjust.

What I did say was don't expect justice from a system that isn't interested in it - despite what it calls itself.

A just justice system wouldn't allow the victim to be tried ahead of the accused for a start.