Eric Joyce pleads guilty to offence of making indecent image of child

[RoyalCorgi]

Looks like he might go to jail.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/07/ex-labour-mp-eric-joyce-faces-jail-after-admitting-child-abuse-image-offence

I don’t want to derail, but do people really get sent images like this via spam ?!?

No. Big tech companies such as Google invest massively in tracking images of child abuse, including anything sent through email. E.g. Google encodes each image with a key that then gets flagged anywhere it exists on the internet. The chance of you getting an image of child abuse in your junk email folder are pretty much zero.

I would imagine MP’s get sent the most horrific stuff. If you look at his wiki he’s not afraid of antagonising people. Scottish politics has some big characters and angry voices.

It did briefly cross my mind that he was set up, but that’s more about me being horrified by the idea of anyone involved in this kind of vile disgusting crime. His poor children, imagine knowing your dad looked at stuff like that.

Also the risk of someone sending out child abuse images via spam email and getting caught is massive. What would the incentive be to do this? As horrible as this is, people pay serious money to receive these images. If they don't pay money then they have to offer their own (new, original) child abuse images to be sent them. It is stomach churning but this is how it works.

I don't believe for a minute that he got the video in any way other than him seeking it out. It troubles me that this obvious conclusion is being diluted with his unbelieveable version and this is being faciliated by the remarkable lack of curiousity by much of the media.

If he had received it in error he wouldn’t have been convicted. Unless he has rubbish defence counsel or unless he has actually been convicted on the basis he failed to inform the authorities which doesn’t seem to be the basis of his conviction. If the press would report on this we would have a chance of understanding what happened to cause him to become a convicted sex offender.

It wasn't just the spam email - if you go back to the Mail report (which I quoted on page 1 of this thread), it says:

"Joyce, who has a string of convictions, admitted searching for child abuse images on the internet while he was having problems with alcohol. Ipswich Crown Court heard that he claimed the vile footage arrived on his computer in a spam email – but confirmed he was aware of it."

So it's not just that he unluckily clicked on a piece of spam email - he actively went looking for this stuff. Vile POS.

The natural reaction of an innocent person who opened a spam email to find images of child abuse would be to phone the police and/or forward the email to CEOP.

And that's without taking into account that most people don't even open spam emails let alone download videos from them.

The whole thing stinks like a nine day old fish.

It couldn't have been a set-up, because someone in the public eye who opened an email of unwanted images of child abuse would have two reasons to report to the police:

1. the normal feelings of revulsion and concern for child welfare, and;
2. the suspicion that it might be a set-up. The way set-ups work is by giving the target incriminating material and then tipping the police off!

If you are a public figure and someone sends you child abuse images as a set-up, the best thing is to contact the police ASAP.

Does anybody randomly get SPAM emails of child abuse?

I don't believe so, surely your spam is generated by your online searches.

Anyway, horrible.

That’s why he’s pleaded guilty isn’t it so he doesn’t have to explain it all in court, nothing gets explored or discussed. He’s put forward his mitigation (alcohol/therapy etc), gets sentenced.

I had my twitter feed flooded with porn last week, after I supported JKR, that is why I wondered. I noticed someone I follow had the same thing. When I checked I was down as following this account 🤢.
So a derail from the thread, sorry, just it really upset me, so I had sudden horrors about what might appear in my spam, which mainly seems to be viagra, penis enlargers (!) and invitations to chat with sexy girls, plus many things to do with bitcoins.

When will he be sentenced?

Beginning of August

@SirVixofVixHall
Last night a porn spam bot attacked Mumsnet and a poster thought that it was related what you describe.
It seems that they targeted FWR first.
I'm sorry that I can't link, but if you look at night watch you will see what happened.
It is all very odd and worrying.

Oh I did see a few deletions by the same poster and wondered what was happening.

I once saw the most disgusting porn I've ever seen (I don't even want to describe it) on a website that had been hacked. So yes it can happen but I think it's highly unlikely to happen with child pornography as it's so illegal and because so much work is being done to trace the source of these images.

‘Sometimes people receive unsolicited emails (spam) that contain indecent images of children. These emails are sent in a totally random way and not directed at an individual deliberately.‘

That’s from the Herts Police website, lots of other police forces have similar info on their websites. I think some of you may be slightly ill-informed about the incidence of this crime.

@Fanthorpe

‘Sometimes people receive unsolicited emails (spam) that contain indecent images of children. These emails are sent in a totally random way and not directed at an individual deliberately.‘

That’s from the Herts Police website, lots of other police forces have similar info on their websites. I think some of you may be slightly ill-informed about the incidence of this crime.

Nontheless, if you get a malicious communication like this and you take your device straight to the police and hand it in for forensic IT.

And also, as I've already said twice on this thread, he admitted to searching for child abuse images on the internet.

It's a good example of how lack of accurate reporting is allowing Joyce's version to spread in the public domain.

I’m sorry I was unclear, I was referring to PP’s who said that they doubted he could have been set up as no one would send unsolicited material, this clearly isn’t the case, as the police information describes.

As I said earlier in the thread he didn’t act correctly if it was as he described, and as RoyalCorgi says he admitted to searching.

@nauticant

It's a good example of how lack of accurate reporting is allowing Joyce's version to spread in the public domain.

Absolutely this. It’s so insidious.

The judge will hopefully make sentencing remarks which will give a clearer view of events, especially around how it was discovered.

He’s been given eight months suspended for two years.

What a pathetic sentence.

But can a man like that stay out of trouble?